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A good percentage of comments on this blog relate to “who bats where” in the batting order. … and on and on… Where should everyone hit? A better question is: “Does it matter?’ Modern sabermetric studies have found that batting order matters, but the difference between a good lineup and a perfectly optimized lineup is usually only about 10 to 20 runs over an entire season, which translates to roughly…

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A good percentage of comments on this blog relate to “who bats where” in the batting order.

  • “Shohei should bat cleanup.”
  • Freddie should be the number three hitter.”
  • “No, Freddie should hit second.”
  • “Max Muncy should hit cleanup.”
  • “Mookie should hit 9th.”

… and on and on…

Where should everyone hit?

A better question is: “Does it matter?’

Modern sabermetric studies have found that batting order matters, but the difference between a good lineup and a perfectly optimized lineup is usually only about 10 to 20 runs over an entire season, which translates to roughly 1 to 2 wins.

A few things do matter:

  1. Your best hitters should get the most plate appearances
    • That’s why teams often hit stars like Shohei Ohtani or Mookie Betts near the top.
    • The leadoff hitter gets about 15-20 more plate appearances per season than the #2 hitter and roughly 70 more than the #5 hitter.
  2. The #2 spot is often the most valuable
    • Traditional baseball put the “bat control” guy second.
    • Analytics showed that the #2 hitter comes up in many high-leverage situations while still getting nearly as many plate appearances as the leadoff man.
    • That’s why stars often hit second today.
  3. Avoid stacking weak hitters
    • A lineup with three automatic outs in a row creates inning-killing dead zones.
  4. Protection is mostly overrated
    • The old idea that a slugger hits better because another slugger bats behind him has very little statistical support.

For the Dodgers, the bigger issue isn’t whether Freddie Freeman hits second or third. It’s that they can roll out something like Ohtani, Betts, Freeman, Max Muncy, Will Smith, Andy Pages, and Dalton Rushing in the same lineup. The quality of the hitters matters far more than the exact order.

One famous quote from analyst and author Tom Tango captures it well:

“The best lineup is important. Getting the best players is far more important.”

In other words, Dave Roberts can spend hours deciding whether Freeman should hit second and Ohtani first, but he’d rather have eight great hitters arguing about lineup spots than eight average hitters perfectly arranged.

Charlotte Knights 4 – OKC Comets 3

LHSP Jackson Ferris gave up a solo HR in the 1st.  In the 2nd-4th innings, he allowed a double but no runs.

In the OKC 3rd inning, DH Zach Ehrhard drew a 1-out BB, and went to 3rd on 3B Tommy Edman’s single.  Edman stole 2nd.  Ehrhard scored the tying run when 1B James Tibbs III grounded out.  RF Jack Suwinski singled to score Edman.

https://twitter.com/OKC_comets/status/2066281040851734999?s=20

In the 5th, Ferris walked the first batter.  The 2nd batter reached on a fielding error.  A 2nd BB loaded the bases. A 2-run single followed.  The next batter hit a sac bunt with the 3rd run scoring and RHRP Ryder Ryan relieving Ferris.

Ryan and RHRP Carlos Duran shut down the Knights through the 8th.

OKC scored a run in the 8th to get closer.  A 2-out single by Edman and a run scoring double (17) by JTIII.  JTIII’s double was the only XBH for OKC.

https://twitter.com/OKC_comets/status/2066300665891111288?s=20

In his final rehab game, Tommy Edman went 3-4 and scored 2 runs.  He had the only multi-hit game for OKC.

Box Score

Tulsa Drillers 21 – Wichita Wind Surge (Minnesota) 10

Tulsa scored in every inning they batted except the 2nd.  Every Driller had at least 1 hit.

After four consecutive plus starts, LHSP Adam Serwinowski had a bit of a letdown.  He gave up a lead off BB and a two out run scoring double for a 1-0 lead.

Tulsa came back with authority.  They sent 12 to the plate and 6 scored.  DH Josue De Paula was issued a BB and RF Mike Sirota was HBP.  This was good to push his on base streak to 53.  SS Elijah Hainline singled to load the bases.  With one out, 3B Kyle Nevin singled in a run with the bases remaining loaded. 1B Chris Newell hit a SF for the Drillers 2nd run.  CF Kole Myers hit an RBI single, and 2B Sean McLain blasted a 3-run HR (3).

https://twitter.com/TulsaDrillers/status/2066224770815791309?s=20

In the top of the 2nd, Serwinowski gave up a solo HR.

In the 3rd, McLain walked, stole 2nd, and scored on JDP’s RBI single.

In the 4th, Serwinowski allowed a double and BB before being lifted for LHRP Evan Shaw.  Shaw hit the first two batters he faced, forcing in a run, charged to Serwinowski.

In the bottom half of the 4th inning, Hainline doubled and scored on a 2-out 2-run 1B Chris Newell HR (9).

With Shaw still pitching in the 5th, he allowed a 2-out double and single putting runners on 1st and 3rd.  The lead runner scored on a WP.

In the bottom of the 5th, newly signed catcher Hayen Gilliland (1) and JDP (11) hit solo HRs.

https://twitter.com/TulsaDrillers/status/2066248115888288058?s=20

In the 6th, Shaw hit his 3rd batter.  He got the ground ball but it was booted and runners moved to 1st and 3rd.  After 1 out, LHRP Christian Suarez came in to relieve Shaw.  Two WP and a two out single plated the two inherited runners.

In the bottom of the 6th, Hope had a leadoff double.  Nevin and Newell walked to load the bases.  Myers hit a SF and with one out, Gilliland hit a 2-run single.

Suarez allowed three runs in the 7th after a walk, single, WP and pickoff throwing error scored 1.  A two run double scored two more and RHRP Kelvin Ramirez relieved Suarez.  He gave up a solo HR before getting out of the inning.

Tulsa broke it open in the 7th.  Sirota singled and Hainline doubled (10) him to 3rd.  LF Zyhir Hope singled to score Sirota and Hainline to 3rd.  Hainline scored and Hope to 2nd on a double steal.  Nevin drew a BB.  Myers hit a RBI single scoring Hope.  McLain hit a 3-run HR (4) for his 2nd 3-run HR of the game.   

https://twitter.com/TulsaDrillers/status/2066265523273294121?s=20

Nevin hit his 6th HR in the 8th.

RHRP Antonio Knowles finished the 9th to end the game.

  • Josue De Paula – 3-4, 2 BB, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR (11)
  • Elijah Hainline – 3-6, 3 runs, 2 doubles (10)
  • Zyhir Hope – 2-6, 2 runs, 1 RBI, double (12)
  • Kyle Nevin – 2-4, 2 BB, 4 runs, 2 RBI, HR (6)
  • Kole Myers – 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, SF
  • Sean McLain – 2-4, 1 BB, 3 runs, 6 RBI, 2 HR (10)
  • Hayden Gilliland – 2-4, 1 BB, 1 run, 3 RBI, HR (1)
  • Chris Newell – 1-4, 1 BB, 2 runs, 3 RBI, HR (9)
  • Mike Sirota – 1-4, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 2 runs

Box Score

Wisconsin Timber Rattlers (Wisconsin) 7 – Great Lakes Loons 3

RF Eduardo Quintero hit a 1-out double (13) and scored on a 2-out SS Emil Morales’ single.

After LHSP Sterling Patick retired the side in order in the first, the Loons got a pair of doubles by LF Samuel Munoz (5) and 2B Jose Izarra (8).

Everything went south from there.  In the 2nd, Wisconsin scored on a HR of Patick.  In the 3rd, Wisconsin scored a tying run after a single, WP, and double.  In the 4th, with Patick still pitching, he allowed a BB, single, RBI single and SF to have a 4-2 lead.

In the top of the 5th, Izarra had a 1-out single and moved to 2nd on a fielding error.  Izarra scored on CF Chuck Davalan’s RBI single, climbing to within 1.

But in the bottom of the 5th, Wisconsin scored three off LHRP Matt Lanzendorfer.  A HBP, BB, and a 3-run HR pushed the lead to 7-3.

Both teams went silent after the 5th.

Jose Izarra was 2-3 with a double (8).  He was the only GL batter with more than one hit.  Eduardo Quintero (13) and Samuel Munoz had the other XBH for Great Lakes.

Box Score

Lake Elsinore Storm (San Diego) 8 – Ontario Tower Buzzers 7

Ontario jumped out to a lead in the 2ndLF Brendan Tunink tripled (1) and scored ahead of DH Easton Shelton’s 20th HR.

Ontario scored another in the 4th.  Shelton walked to lead off the inning. One out later, CF Landyn Vidourek also walked.  Shelton scored on a single by C Conner O’Neal.

Ontario’s RHSP Tyler Gough pitched 4 scoreless innings on 1 hit and 1 BB.  In the 5th, Gough gave up a lead off single and then struck out the next batter before being relieved by RHRP Jose Cabrera, who lost control of the game. 

Cabrera faced 5 batters and did not record an out.  HBP, WP, BB, HBP, 2 run single, and BB.  Three runs in, and he left the bases loaded for RHRP Angel Cruz. Cruz walked the first three batters he faced for three runs.  After a K, Cruz hit another batter for another run.  He struck out the final batter of the inning.  Let’s tally that up.  13 batters came to plate:

  • 5 BB
  • 3 HBP
  • 2 singles
  • 3 strike outs
  • 7 runs

In the 6th inning, Ontario climbed back into the game.  With 1 out, Vidourek (5) and O’Neal (5) hit solo HR.  RF Mairo Martinus singled and RF Ching-Hsien Ko drew a BB.  3B Chase Harlan followed with a 2-run double (15).

RHRP Brock Stewart rehab appearance.  He allowed a single in his 1.0 IP with 2 K.  He threw 19 pitches (13 strikes).

RHRP Jesus Tillero pitched a scoreless 7th and 8th inning, with 1 hit and 1 K.  Tillero came back out on the 9th, and on the 1st pitch of the inning, the sailed out over the CF wall for a walk of HR, for a 9-8 win.

  • Chase Harlan – 2-5, 2 RBI, double (10)
  • Conner O’Neal – 2-3, 1 BB,1 run, 2 RBI, HR (5)
  • Landyn Vidourek – 1-3, 2 BB, 1 run, 1 RBI, HR (5)
  • Easton Shelton – 1-3, 2 BB, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR (20)
  • Ching Hsien-Ko – 1-3, 2 BB, 1 run, double (10)
https://twitter.com/towerbuzzers/status/2065646495572041843?s=20

Box Score

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  1. SimonKillerJune 15, 2026

    Tyler Gough was the return for Robinson Ortiz and was the Mariners’ #25 prospect at the time.

  2. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    I think it’s pretty obvious that the top OBP guys should at the top of the lineup. Shoehei gets on base in more than 42% of his plate appearances. His OBP is .427, far ahead of Max’s solid .371 and Freddie’s .363. With Mookie’s bat cold and Pages’s bat scorching, Roberts moved Pages to the 2-hole even though his OBP wasn’t really stellar. His OBP for the season right now is only .319; I assume Roberts placed Pages ahead of Freddie in part to make sure he’d see better pitches to hit, and to preserve the L/R rhythm in the lineup. (FWIW, Tucker’s season OBP is .334–nothing to write home about, but a bit better than Pages.) Pages, who has been an RBI machine this season, is so streaky that perhaps it’s hard to determine where he should fit in the lineup–but 4-5-6 seem right to me. Now he’s in his own serious slump: a 596 OPS over the past 15 days, including a .234 OBP. Perhaps it’s time, once again, to shake up the batting order.

  3. DodgertifosiJune 15, 2026

    Can and should not keep dePaula any longer at AA. Nothing to prove for the kid there. IMHO you can even make a case he is ready for the Show. Didn´t Beltre and Bellinger also came up right from AA ?

  4. Andrew V ForteJune 15, 2026

    When Will Smith returns from the IL,he should bat second.

  5. BearJune 15, 2026

    Pages is hitting .250 in the 2-hole. He should be moved back to 6th where he hit .375. He is also just hitting .246 off of LHP. He is hitting .282 off of righties. Bellinger was called up from AAA in 2017. He had played in 3 games there in 2016 and played 18 games there before his call up in 17. He was called up simply because Adrian Gonzalez was injured, not because of his performance. But he flourished and won the ROY. Beltre was called up from AA in 1998. But in 77 games, he hit just .215. He would improve the next couple of years, but he was in no way a star. That came much later.

  6. BearJune 15, 2026

    Roster crunch, and you do not want to move the kid too soon. He will get a long look in spring training next year. Huge difference between AA and MLB pitching.

  7. BearJune 15, 2026

    Based on his career stats in that spot, oh hell no. .193 hitter in the 2 slot. Hitting 3rd, he hits .260. Hitting 4th, he is a .272 hitter.

  8. BearJune 15, 2026

    I thank all of you for the nice birthday wishes. Sorry they could no pull out a win on my birthday. But I had a very nice, peaceful day.

  9. Daytona JackJune 15, 2026

    Looks like you spent your birthday talking Dodgers Baseball. Sounds like a perfect day to me. Wishing you many more.

  10. Watford DodgerJune 15, 2026

    Sheehan was good until he wasn’t. Gotta say it’s good to see the WhiteSox doing better and playing in front of large crowds.

  11. MushersPopJune 15, 2026

    Interesting stat. Why is there a 67 point difference between batting 2nd and 3rd? Is the potential extra at bat when he’s hitting second dropping his average? Not sure I buy that. Is it possible he doesn’t feel comfortable in the second slot? Then there’s the fact that Smith hit his game winning home run batting second in game 7.

  12. Andrew V ForteJune 15, 2026

    I still would bat Smith second. Pages is much better lower in the order. He had numerous chances with runners in scoring position batting second this weekend and failed. Need Teo back in the lineup too.

  13. ZekeJune 15, 2026

    Next 3 series are against AL teams. Rays and Orioles at home then 3 with the Twins. So far this year we are 13-8 in inter league play. Season is almost half way over, boy does it go quickly.

  14. Daytona JackJune 15, 2026

    When AF made the trade that brought Tibbs and Erdhard to the house, most of us thought Tibbs was the prize and we were right. I wrote that Erdhard had very good numbers without the power that Tibbs displayed but has speed, which the Dodgers lacked. A year later an to the 23 year old is adding power to his package. This excites me because I vision a near future elite outfield of Erdhard, Pages and Tibbs reminiscent of the Kemp and Ethier era with speed. I know that Hope, DePaula and company are waiting in the wings but if these guys continue to progress we are set.

  15. MattJune 15, 2026

    Happy Belated Bear!!! And Many More.

  16. MattJune 15, 2026

    3-3 trip in mid June with a few guys banged up, that is fine. Lets have a good homestand. Mookie might have found something…

  17. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    Smith is not a bad choice at all. but his OBP this season is significantly lower. Just for grins, a lineup based on descending contract AAV: Shohei ==$70 m Tucker –$60m Mookie– $30.4 m Freddie — $27 m Teo– $19.6 m Smith– $16 m Edman –$12 m Max– $10 m Pages–??? My source didn’t list it…. While I’m trying to patient with the $60 Million Dollar Man, I’ve noticed that Tibbs, Ehrhard and Suwinski are putting up impressive numbers at OKC. If AF just didn’t have a jones for writing fat checks, these guys would be earning consideration to join the big club. We worry about Tucker blocking the 4 top OF prospects now in AA and A ball in ’27, ’28 and ’29, but his contract may also be holding back these guys right now. Ward was held back stupidly in ’25 because the Dodgers signed Conforto for $17 million. Now he’s getting his chance and so far, so good. Small sample, but he’s been out-hitting Tucker. We used to assume that Ward had so much problems on defense–too slow, bad arm, etc–that he’d never get out of OKC. There were doubts that he couldn’t handle major league pitching. We should now see this was BS. If I ran small-market club, I’d be looking for ways to pluck Tibbs and Ehrhard from the Dodgers….

  18. MattJune 15, 2026

    Hang with Tucker. I actually think this bodes well. He is due to have a really good 2nd half/postseason. If we was lighting it up now, id fear a regression heading into 2nd half/postseason. Hes gonna come up big when needed. Stick with him!

  19. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    Sheehan might be a guy to remove after two trips through the lineup.. Sure hope Dreyer gets his problems straightened out.

  20. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    Those stats regarding specific spots in batting order tend to have very small samples. If Smith batted second tomorrow and had three hits, his average might surge by 150 points….

  21. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    Tucker is under contract through the ’29 season, and Teo through the ’27 season. Perhaps the Dodgers deal Teo to create room for a rising prospect, but without such a trade or injuries there may not be an opening in the OF until ’28. Considering the in-house competition, Tibbs may be best positioned to succeed Freddie at 1B. Ehrhard (or however his name is spelled) will have to fend off competition from De Paula, Sirota and Hope…assuming they are still around. Quintero is younger and probably another season away. Plus, let’s not overlook Davalan and Kendall George. Davalan, now a Great Lakes, seems like a younger version of Ehrhard–and he’s walking more than he Ks.

  22. BadgerJune 15, 2026

    The Dodgers are 5-5, but no team in the West is playing any better than .500 for the last 10 games. TB is also 5-5, 17-18 on the road with a RDIFF on +8. The Dodgers should clobber them. Probably won’t though. Orioles and Twins both lower division clubs. Not a difficult schedule coming up. Lineup? I agree it doesn’t matter all that much. Ohtani leads off then pull names out of a hat. As for what the minor leaguers are hitting, it matters of course but who among them will break this lineup any time soon? Ryan Ward was the most ready among them, hitting .379 in the PCL. He’s hitting .237 in MLB. He will be going back down when Teo gets back. I assume Espinal gets the axe when Edman returns but I don’t know that. The organization does prefer veterans The most disappointing new guy to me is Hyeseong Kim. He’s hitting over .300 in AAA but so what. A lot of guys are hitting .300 in AAA. His OBP there is good, but a .721 OPS at that level is not impressive. He may be able to squat 500 pounds but that hasn’t translated to squat at the plate. This guy should be a doubles machine and he isn’t. He should also steal 50 bases in the minors but in the last 30 games he has 2.

  23. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    Beltre was very young. Wasn’t he just 19 when he was first called up?

  24. Duke Not SniderJune 15, 2026

    Harsh, Badger. You are more disappointed in Kim than in the $60 Million Dollar Man? Kim played a solid SS while Mookie was injured. He’s a ML-level talent on a team that happens to have a surplus of such talent. I am trying to be patient with Tucker. Really I am!

  25. MattJune 15, 2026

    “Not a difficult schedule coming up.” The kiss of death……

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