Who Bats Where?
A good percentage of comments on this blog relate to “who bats where” in the batting order. … and on and on… Where should everyone hit? A better question is: “Does it matter?’ Modern sabermetric studies have found that batting order matters, but the difference between a good lineup and a perfectly optimized lineup is usually only about 10 to 20 runs over an entire season, which translates to roughly…

A good percentage of comments on this blog relate to “who bats where” in the batting order.
- “Shohei should bat cleanup.”
- “Freddie should be the number three hitter.”
- “No, Freddie should hit second.”
- “Max Muncy should hit cleanup.”
- “Mookie should hit 9th.”
… and on and on…
Where should everyone hit?
A better question is: “Does it matter?’
Modern sabermetric studies have found that batting order matters, but the difference between a good lineup and a perfectly optimized lineup is usually only about 10 to 20 runs over an entire season, which translates to roughly 1 to 2 wins.
A few things do matter:
- Your best hitters should get the most plate appearances
- That’s why teams often hit stars like Shohei Ohtani or Mookie Betts near the top.
- The leadoff hitter gets about 15-20 more plate appearances per season than the #2 hitter and roughly 70 more than the #5 hitter.
- The #2 spot is often the most valuable
- Traditional baseball put the “bat control” guy second.
- Analytics showed that the #2 hitter comes up in many high-leverage situations while still getting nearly as many plate appearances as the leadoff man.
- That’s why stars often hit second today.
- Avoid stacking weak hitters
- A lineup with three automatic outs in a row creates inning-killing dead zones.
- Protection is mostly overrated
- The old idea that a slugger hits better because another slugger bats behind him has very little statistical support.
For the Dodgers, the bigger issue isn’t whether Freddie Freeman hits second or third. It’s that they can roll out something like Ohtani, Betts, Freeman, Max Muncy, Will Smith, Andy Pages, and Dalton Rushing in the same lineup. The quality of the hitters matters far more than the exact order.
One famous quote from analyst and author Tom Tango captures it well:
“The best lineup is important. Getting the best players is far more important.”
In other words, Dave Roberts can spend hours deciding whether Freeman should hit second and Ohtani first, but he’d rather have eight great hitters arguing about lineup spots than eight average hitters perfectly arranged.

Charlotte Knights 4 – OKC Comets 3
LHSP Jackson Ferris gave up a solo HR in the 1st. In the 2nd-4th innings, he allowed a double but no runs.
In the OKC 3rd inning, DH Zach Ehrhard drew a 1-out BB, and went to 3rd on 3B Tommy Edman’s single. Edman stole 2nd. Ehrhard scored the tying run when 1B James Tibbs III grounded out. RF Jack Suwinski singled to score Edman.
In the 5th, Ferris walked the first batter. The 2nd batter reached on a fielding error. A 2nd BB loaded the bases. A 2-run single followed. The next batter hit a sac bunt with the 3rd run scoring and RHRP Ryder Ryan relieving Ferris.
Ryan and RHRP Carlos Duran shut down the Knights through the 8th.
OKC scored a run in the 8th to get closer. A 2-out single by Edman and a run scoring double (17) by JTIII. JTIII’s double was the only XBH for OKC.
In his final rehab game, Tommy Edman went 3-4 and scored 2 runs. He had the only multi-hit game for OKC.
Tulsa Drillers 21 – Wichita Wind Surge (Minnesota) 10
Tulsa scored in every inning they batted except the 2nd. Every Driller had at least 1 hit.
After four consecutive plus starts, LHSP Adam Serwinowski had a bit of a letdown. He gave up a lead off BB and a two out run scoring double for a 1-0 lead.
Tulsa came back with authority. They sent 12 to the plate and 6 scored. DH Josue De Paula was issued a BB and RF Mike Sirota was HBP. This was good to push his on base streak to 53. SS Elijah Hainline singled to load the bases. With one out, 3B Kyle Nevin singled in a run with the bases remaining loaded. 1B Chris Newell hit a SF for the Drillers 2nd run. CF Kole Myers hit an RBI single, and 2B Sean McLain blasted a 3-run HR (3).
In the top of the 2nd, Serwinowski gave up a solo HR.
In the 3rd, McLain walked, stole 2nd, and scored on JDP’s RBI single.
In the 4th, Serwinowski allowed a double and BB before being lifted for LHRP Evan Shaw. Shaw hit the first two batters he faced, forcing in a run, charged to Serwinowski.
In the bottom half of the 4th inning, Hainline doubled and scored on a 2-out 2-run 1B Chris Newell HR (9).
With Shaw still pitching in the 5th, he allowed a 2-out double and single putting runners on 1st and 3rd. The lead runner scored on a WP.
In the bottom of the 5th, newly signed catcher Hayen Gilliland (1) and JDP (11) hit solo HRs.
In the 6th, Shaw hit his 3rd batter. He got the ground ball but it was booted and runners moved to 1st and 3rd. After 1 out, LHRP Christian Suarez came in to relieve Shaw. Two WP and a two out single plated the two inherited runners.
In the bottom of the 6th, Hope had a leadoff double. Nevin and Newell walked to load the bases. Myers hit a SF and with one out, Gilliland hit a 2-run single.
Suarez allowed three runs in the 7th after a walk, single, WP and pickoff throwing error scored 1. A two run double scored two more and RHRP Kelvin Ramirez relieved Suarez. He gave up a solo HR before getting out of the inning.
Tulsa broke it open in the 7th. Sirota singled and Hainline doubled (10) him to 3rd. LF Zyhir Hope singled to score Sirota and Hainline to 3rd. Hainline scored and Hope to 2nd on a double steal. Nevin drew a BB. Myers hit a RBI single scoring Hope. McLain hit a 3-run HR (4) for his 2nd 3-run HR of the game.
Nevin hit his 6th HR in the 8th.
RHRP Antonio Knowles finished the 9th to end the game.
- Josue De Paula – 3-4, 2 BB, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR (11)
- Elijah Hainline – 3-6, 3 runs, 2 doubles (10)
- Zyhir Hope – 2-6, 2 runs, 1 RBI, double (12)
- Kyle Nevin – 2-4, 2 BB, 4 runs, 2 RBI, HR (6)
- Kole Myers – 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, SF
- Sean McLain – 2-4, 1 BB, 3 runs, 6 RBI, 2 HR (10)
- Hayden Gilliland – 2-4, 1 BB, 1 run, 3 RBI, HR (1)
- Chris Newell – 1-4, 1 BB, 2 runs, 3 RBI, HR (9)
- Mike Sirota – 1-4, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 2 runs
Wisconsin Timber Rattlers (Wisconsin) 7 – Great Lakes Loons 3
RF Eduardo Quintero hit a 1-out double (13) and scored on a 2-out SS Emil Morales’ single.
After LHSP Sterling Patick retired the side in order in the first, the Loons got a pair of doubles by LF Samuel Munoz (5) and 2B Jose Izarra (8).
Everything went south from there. In the 2nd, Wisconsin scored on a HR of Patick. In the 3rd, Wisconsin scored a tying run after a single, WP, and double. In the 4th, with Patick still pitching, he allowed a BB, single, RBI single and SF to have a 4-2 lead.
In the top of the 5th, Izarra had a 1-out single and moved to 2nd on a fielding error. Izarra scored on CF Chuck Davalan’s RBI single, climbing to within 1.
But in the bottom of the 5th, Wisconsin scored three off LHRP Matt Lanzendorfer. A HBP, BB, and a 3-run HR pushed the lead to 7-3.
Both teams went silent after the 5th.
Jose Izarra was 2-3 with a double (8). He was the only GL batter with more than one hit. Eduardo Quintero (13) and Samuel Munoz had the other XBH for Great Lakes.
Lake Elsinore Storm (San Diego) 8 – Ontario Tower Buzzers 7
Ontario jumped out to a lead in the 2nd. LF Brendan Tunink tripled (1) and scored ahead of DH Easton Shelton’s 20th HR.
Ontario scored another in the 4th. Shelton walked to lead off the inning. One out later, CF Landyn Vidourek also walked. Shelton scored on a single by C Conner O’Neal.
Ontario’s RHSP Tyler Gough pitched 4 scoreless innings on 1 hit and 1 BB. In the 5th, Gough gave up a lead off single and then struck out the next batter before being relieved by RHRP Jose Cabrera, who lost control of the game.
Cabrera faced 5 batters and did not record an out. HBP, WP, BB, HBP, 2 run single, and BB. Three runs in, and he left the bases loaded for RHRP Angel Cruz. Cruz walked the first three batters he faced for three runs. After a K, Cruz hit another batter for another run. He struck out the final batter of the inning. Let’s tally that up. 13 batters came to plate:
- 5 BB
- 3 HBP
- 2 singles
- 3 strike outs
- 7 runs
In the 6th inning, Ontario climbed back into the game. With 1 out, Vidourek (5) and O’Neal (5) hit solo HR. RF Mairo Martinus singled and RF Ching-Hsien Ko drew a BB. 3B Chase Harlan followed with a 2-run double (15).
RHRP Brock Stewart rehab appearance. He allowed a single in his 1.0 IP with 2 K. He threw 19 pitches (13 strikes).
RHRP Jesus Tillero pitched a scoreless 7th and 8th inning, with 1 hit and 1 K. Tillero came back out on the 9th, and on the 1st pitch of the inning, the sailed out over the CF wall for a walk of HR, for a 9-8 win.
- Chase Harlan – 2-5, 2 RBI, double (10)
- Conner O’Neal – 2-3, 1 BB,1 run, 2 RBI, HR (5)
- Landyn Vidourek – 1-3, 2 BB, 1 run, 1 RBI, HR (5)
- Easton Shelton – 1-3, 2 BB, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR (20)
- Ching Hsien-Ko – 1-3, 2 BB, 1 run, double (10)
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Discussion (104)
Disagree, not disagreeable
Nice win. Finally, Tucker looked good, great throw from right to nail the runner. Mookie’s swing velocity has actually increased since last year.
No, it means Espinal and Freeland are on the bubble.
From what? Guy has pitched all of 4 games in the majors and that was 2 years ago. He has only pitched in 7 games at OKC and isn’t blowing hitters away. He is 3-0 with a 2.81 ERA. But he has only pitched 32 innings. There is absolutely no reason to rush the kid. His time will come, just not this year.
There are reports that they will listen to offers for Devers, Adames and Chapman, along with Arraez and Ray, who would be rentals.
Miggy!
Nick Martinez’s changeup is hellacious. That pitch makes him one of the best pitchers in baseball. Tucker and Betts are the only ones hitting him hard.
Mookie swing the last week plus has looked much better and even his outs are now harder outs.
Is Pages gonna lose his all star bid or does he have one more hot streak left in him the next couple of weeks?
Does Roberts saying Edman won’t start until Wednesday mean it’s Espinal that’s going to be released? The Rays have a righty going tomorrow so you think they would want a lefty in LF and 2B. Could mean neither Ward or Freeland are going down.
Mookie and Tucker deliver together. Is that a first for this year?
Free River Ryan!
That’s one guy I would never vote for. I don’t vote straight Dodgers either. Pages, Wood, Soto right now for me.
agree, in many ways I think the team believes LRL (or the according with splits) is way more important than order.
Muncy batting 2nd makes a lot of sense, IMO. He has batted most in 5th spot, 4th second most, and 2nd third most. Batting 2nd – 801 PA – .245/.362/.537/.899, BAbip .245, 54 HR Batting 4th – 995 PA – .226/.354/.458/.811, BAbip .256, 52 HR Batting 5th – 1043 PA – .231/.360/.491/.852, BAbip .251, 60 HR His best metrics come as batting 3rd, but they come with a very significant reduction in PA. Batting 3rd – 214 PA – .302/.397/.681/1.079, BAbip.310, 19 HR Max has not batted 2nd this year. He has batted in every lineup position except 2nd and 9th. This year batting 2nd: Mookie – .149/.196/.234/.430 Freddie – .213/.276/.263/.538 Pages – .167/.200/.167/.367 Just for giggles I looked at Tommy Edman batting 2nd: .291/.335/.439/.774 – 371 PA Batting 7th and 9th are very comparable. I doubt that Doc would go L-L-L, even against a RHP.
Webb will request a trade to Milwaukee.
Will never happen. SF will never trade their franchise face to LAD, and even if they did, Webb grew up hating the Dodgers, and that hate has increased since beginning his career as a SF Giant.
Very likable player. Sac St. product.
Nice start for James Outman’s Detroit career. First AB – HR – 415′ https://x.com/MLB_comment/status/2065705735296778713?s=20 I am still pulling for Outman. Maybe Detroit will stick with him.
Yuck to both those guys
Only player I’d be interested in is Logan Webb.
Me either. For instance, I am voting for PCA.
Me too
Giants are looking to be sellers at the deadline per MLBTR. Not that they would ever trade anyone good to LA.
I don’t ever vote straight Dodgers. I like to see what the other players are doing. I don’t like Arraez, but I voted for him at second anyway.
Rays ERA a full half point higher than the Dodgers. Rays offense not as good as LA.s