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A good percentage of comments on this blog relate to “who bats where” in the batting order. … and on and on… Where should everyone hit? A better question is: “Does it matter?’ Modern sabermetric studies have found that batting order matters, but the difference between a good lineup and a perfectly optimized lineup is usually only about 10 to 20 runs over an entire season, which translates to roughly…

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A good percentage of comments on this blog relate to “who bats where” in the batting order.

  • “Shohei should bat cleanup.”
  • Freddie should be the number three hitter.”
  • “No, Freddie should hit second.”
  • “Max Muncy should hit cleanup.”
  • “Mookie should hit 9th.”

… and on and on…

Where should everyone hit?

A better question is: “Does it matter?’

Modern sabermetric studies have found that batting order matters, but the difference between a good lineup and a perfectly optimized lineup is usually only about 10 to 20 runs over an entire season, which translates to roughly 1 to 2 wins.

A few things do matter:

  1. Your best hitters should get the most plate appearances
    • That’s why teams often hit stars like Shohei Ohtani or Mookie Betts near the top.
    • The leadoff hitter gets about 15-20 more plate appearances per season than the #2 hitter and roughly 70 more than the #5 hitter.
  2. The #2 spot is often the most valuable
    • Traditional baseball put the “bat control” guy second.
    • Analytics showed that the #2 hitter comes up in many high-leverage situations while still getting nearly as many plate appearances as the leadoff man.
    • That’s why stars often hit second today.
  3. Avoid stacking weak hitters
    • A lineup with three automatic outs in a row creates inning-killing dead zones.
  4. Protection is mostly overrated
    • The old idea that a slugger hits better because another slugger bats behind him has very little statistical support.

For the Dodgers, the bigger issue isn’t whether Freddie Freeman hits second or third. It’s that they can roll out something like Ohtani, Betts, Freeman, Max Muncy, Will Smith, Andy Pages, and Dalton Rushing in the same lineup. The quality of the hitters matters far more than the exact order.

One famous quote from analyst and author Tom Tango captures it well:

“The best lineup is important. Getting the best players is far more important.”

In other words, Dave Roberts can spend hours deciding whether Freeman should hit second and Ohtani first, but he’d rather have eight great hitters arguing about lineup spots than eight average hitters perfectly arranged.

Charlotte Knights 4 – OKC Comets 3

LHSP Jackson Ferris gave up a solo HR in the 1st.  In the 2nd-4th innings, he allowed a double but no runs.

In the OKC 3rd inning, DH Zach Ehrhard drew a 1-out BB, and went to 3rd on 3B Tommy Edman’s single.  Edman stole 2nd.  Ehrhard scored the tying run when 1B James Tibbs III grounded out.  RF Jack Suwinski singled to score Edman.

https://twitter.com/OKC_comets/status/2066281040851734999?s=20

In the 5th, Ferris walked the first batter.  The 2nd batter reached on a fielding error.  A 2nd BB loaded the bases. A 2-run single followed.  The next batter hit a sac bunt with the 3rd run scoring and RHRP Ryder Ryan relieving Ferris.

Ryan and RHRP Carlos Duran shut down the Knights through the 8th.

OKC scored a run in the 8th to get closer.  A 2-out single by Edman and a run scoring double (17) by JTIII.  JTIII’s double was the only XBH for OKC.

https://twitter.com/OKC_comets/status/2066300665891111288?s=20

In his final rehab game, Tommy Edman went 3-4 and scored 2 runs.  He had the only multi-hit game for OKC.

Box Score

Tulsa Drillers 21 – Wichita Wind Surge (Minnesota) 10

Tulsa scored in every inning they batted except the 2nd.  Every Driller had at least 1 hit.

After four consecutive plus starts, LHSP Adam Serwinowski had a bit of a letdown.  He gave up a lead off BB and a two out run scoring double for a 1-0 lead.

Tulsa came back with authority.  They sent 12 to the plate and 6 scored.  DH Josue De Paula was issued a BB and RF Mike Sirota was HBP.  This was good to push his on base streak to 53.  SS Elijah Hainline singled to load the bases.  With one out, 3B Kyle Nevin singled in a run with the bases remaining loaded. 1B Chris Newell hit a SF for the Drillers 2nd run.  CF Kole Myers hit an RBI single, and 2B Sean McLain blasted a 3-run HR (3).

https://twitter.com/TulsaDrillers/status/2066224770815791309?s=20

In the top of the 2nd, Serwinowski gave up a solo HR.

In the 3rd, McLain walked, stole 2nd, and scored on JDP’s RBI single.

In the 4th, Serwinowski allowed a double and BB before being lifted for LHRP Evan Shaw.  Shaw hit the first two batters he faced, forcing in a run, charged to Serwinowski.

In the bottom half of the 4th inning, Hainline doubled and scored on a 2-out 2-run 1B Chris Newell HR (9).

With Shaw still pitching in the 5th, he allowed a 2-out double and single putting runners on 1st and 3rd.  The lead runner scored on a WP.

In the bottom of the 5th, newly signed catcher Hayen Gilliland (1) and JDP (11) hit solo HRs.

https://twitter.com/TulsaDrillers/status/2066248115888288058?s=20

In the 6th, Shaw hit his 3rd batter.  He got the ground ball but it was booted and runners moved to 1st and 3rd.  After 1 out, LHRP Christian Suarez came in to relieve Shaw.  Two WP and a two out single plated the two inherited runners.

In the bottom of the 6th, Hope had a leadoff double.  Nevin and Newell walked to load the bases.  Myers hit a SF and with one out, Gilliland hit a 2-run single.

Suarez allowed three runs in the 7th after a walk, single, WP and pickoff throwing error scored 1.  A two run double scored two more and RHRP Kelvin Ramirez relieved Suarez.  He gave up a solo HR before getting out of the inning.

Tulsa broke it open in the 7th.  Sirota singled and Hainline doubled (10) him to 3rd.  LF Zyhir Hope singled to score Sirota and Hainline to 3rd.  Hainline scored and Hope to 2nd on a double steal.  Nevin drew a BB.  Myers hit a RBI single scoring Hope.  McLain hit a 3-run HR (4) for his 2nd 3-run HR of the game.   

https://twitter.com/TulsaDrillers/status/2066265523273294121?s=20

Nevin hit his 6th HR in the 8th.

RHRP Antonio Knowles finished the 9th to end the game.

  • Josue De Paula – 3-4, 2 BB, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR (11)
  • Elijah Hainline – 3-6, 3 runs, 2 doubles (10)
  • Zyhir Hope – 2-6, 2 runs, 1 RBI, double (12)
  • Kyle Nevin – 2-4, 2 BB, 4 runs, 2 RBI, HR (6)
  • Kole Myers – 2-4, 2 runs, 2 RBI, SF
  • Sean McLain – 2-4, 1 BB, 3 runs, 6 RBI, 2 HR (10)
  • Hayden Gilliland – 2-4, 1 BB, 1 run, 3 RBI, HR (1)
  • Chris Newell – 1-4, 1 BB, 2 runs, 3 RBI, HR (9)
  • Mike Sirota – 1-4, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 2 runs

Box Score

Wisconsin Timber Rattlers (Wisconsin) 7 – Great Lakes Loons 3

RF Eduardo Quintero hit a 1-out double (13) and scored on a 2-out SS Emil Morales’ single.

After LHSP Sterling Patick retired the side in order in the first, the Loons got a pair of doubles by LF Samuel Munoz (5) and 2B Jose Izarra (8).

Everything went south from there.  In the 2nd, Wisconsin scored on a HR of Patick.  In the 3rd, Wisconsin scored a tying run after a single, WP, and double.  In the 4th, with Patick still pitching, he allowed a BB, single, RBI single and SF to have a 4-2 lead.

In the top of the 5th, Izarra had a 1-out single and moved to 2nd on a fielding error.  Izarra scored on CF Chuck Davalan’s RBI single, climbing to within 1.

But in the bottom of the 5th, Wisconsin scored three off LHRP Matt Lanzendorfer.  A HBP, BB, and a 3-run HR pushed the lead to 7-3.

Both teams went silent after the 5th.

Jose Izarra was 2-3 with a double (8).  He was the only GL batter with more than one hit.  Eduardo Quintero (13) and Samuel Munoz had the other XBH for Great Lakes.

Box Score

Lake Elsinore Storm (San Diego) 8 – Ontario Tower Buzzers 7

Ontario jumped out to a lead in the 2ndLF Brendan Tunink tripled (1) and scored ahead of DH Easton Shelton’s 20th HR.

Ontario scored another in the 4th.  Shelton walked to lead off the inning. One out later, CF Landyn Vidourek also walked.  Shelton scored on a single by C Conner O’Neal.

Ontario’s RHSP Tyler Gough pitched 4 scoreless innings on 1 hit and 1 BB.  In the 5th, Gough gave up a lead off single and then struck out the next batter before being relieved by RHRP Jose Cabrera, who lost control of the game. 

Cabrera faced 5 batters and did not record an out.  HBP, WP, BB, HBP, 2 run single, and BB.  Three runs in, and he left the bases loaded for RHRP Angel Cruz. Cruz walked the first three batters he faced for three runs.  After a K, Cruz hit another batter for another run.  He struck out the final batter of the inning.  Let’s tally that up.  13 batters came to plate:

  • 5 BB
  • 3 HBP
  • 2 singles
  • 3 strike outs
  • 7 runs

In the 6th inning, Ontario climbed back into the game.  With 1 out, Vidourek (5) and O’Neal (5) hit solo HR.  RF Mairo Martinus singled and RF Ching-Hsien Ko drew a BB.  3B Chase Harlan followed with a 2-run double (15).

RHRP Brock Stewart rehab appearance.  He allowed a single in his 1.0 IP with 2 K.  He threw 19 pitches (13 strikes).

RHRP Jesus Tillero pitched a scoreless 7th and 8th inning, with 1 hit and 1 K.  Tillero came back out on the 9th, and on the 1st pitch of the inning, the sailed out over the CF wall for a walk of HR, for a 9-8 win.

  • Chase Harlan – 2-5, 2 RBI, double (10)
  • Conner O’Neal – 2-3, 1 BB,1 run, 2 RBI, HR (5)
  • Landyn Vidourek – 1-3, 2 BB, 1 run, 1 RBI, HR (5)
  • Easton Shelton – 1-3, 2 BB, 2 runs, 2 RBI, HR (20)
  • Ching Hsien-Ko – 1-3, 2 BB, 1 run, double (10)
https://twitter.com/towerbuzzers/status/2065646495572041843?s=20

Box Score

Discussion (104)

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  1. SimonKillerJune 15, 2026

    1. This is the all-in season. As much depends on the returns of Diaz, Snell & Glasnow as anything else. Ditto Edman, Teo, Phillips. 2. We really might trade for Skubal. As good as he is, the two main reasons are prospect surplus & avoidibg facing him. 3. The prospect crunch isn’t happening yet. This offseason we could trade Teo/Call and replace with Tibbs/Ehrhard. Then Tibbs could move to 1B to make room for JDP. Tucker’s last two years could be traded to open up a spot for Sirota. And so on. 4. I miss Will Smith. 5. Finishing with a top 2 record in NL is a must. I’d prefer #1 but it might not matter. Just get healthy.

  2. BadgerJune 15, 2026

    Tucker’s OPS+ sits at 100. Major League average. Kim is in the minors. As you may remember, I was all in on Kim earlier in the year. I’m still hopeful about Tucker. I think Matt is right about him. And I don’t care what any of them are paid.

  3. BadgerJune 15, 2026

    Yeah, maybe. This Dodger team has stretches where they look like they are sleep walking. Why wake up for the Orioles? Everyone knows Bal’more blows.

  4. 4-GensJune 15, 2026

    Load management is the best way to get an aging roster of star players to the playoffs in peak form. What other team can afford to sign pitchers like Glass and Snell and basically shelve them during the middle of the season? I suspect the same is happening for Will Smith. His neck injury is real, but the severity and time off are being maximized. I would not be surprised to see Yamamoto and Shohei get a “breather” although it appears Ohtani is being more managed with days off and such. Max and Teoscar can be counted upon for self-inflicted injuries requiring rest. I am slightly concerned about bad luck affecting their availability for the playoffs– i.e., we saw a defensively diminished Teo last year in the playoffs (not pretty). I like Pages, but until I see him perform in the playoffs I will not complain about signing Tucker for insurance.

  5. BlutoJune 15, 2026

    Moving to AAA is NOT necessarily a promotion anymore. He’s fine, and he’s not being put on the 40 anytime soon.

  6. BearJune 15, 2026

    Yes, he was just 19. But it still took him a few years to get his feet under him. Remember by age 25 he was an exe Dodger. He was a .274 hitter with LA, most of that because of his excellent 2004 season. 2004 was the only year he was an all-star as a Dodger. Also remember he walked the year McCourt took over, so the chances of him getting the same kind of contract he got from Seattle were pretty slim. He never again approached those 2004 numbers.

  7. BearJune 15, 2026

    Roster change will come today when Edman gets activated. My guess, Freeland goes back to OKC.

  8. DodgerdadJune 15, 2026

    Tampa can pitch! Question? Can the Dodgers hit? I think Tucker is his own worst enemy right about now! He’s fighting himself at the plate. I liked the bunt attempt yesterday. It shows that he’s willing to do what ever it takes to get back to being the hitter he is! I know Pages has better numbers, but some of his swings are worse than Tuckers. Hopefully he (Tucker)figures it out soon. I agree with a lot of you guys. Move Pages back down in the lineup. I just don’t like him between Ohtani and Freddie. Just me. How hard is it to pull for Ryan Ward? Not hard at all!! Hope he sticks with some team in the big leagues. If not the Dodgers, maybe AF will do him a favor and trade him to a team like the Twins. Espinal or Freeland? I’m taking Freeland! Espinal has been ok, but Freeland has earned the right to stay! Kim? I still believe that he becomes part of a trade package. Would hate to see him go, but there’s not much else they can do other than keep him in the minors. Dodgers are not playing very good baseball right now.. but yet they still have the second best record in the league. The bullpen is struggling after that historic streak. Sasaki was less than stellar last time out. Sheehan is becoming a mystery pitcher. Wrobleski is still learning how to be a starter in the majors. Mookie is showing signs of life. Tucker is not. Pages can be Superman at times and turn into someone unrecognizable other times. The lineup needs a healthy Will Smith! Max is having a nice year offensively. But he’s looked a little shaky on defense lately. ( nothing to fret about). Will Edman provide more offense than Freeland? He probably won’t be any better than Freeland defensively, though he can play outfield and play it very well. Rumors still exist about Jeremey Pena to the Dodgers. It’s going to be very interesting to see how the front office handles the trade deadline! Something major? Something minor? Don’t know which one, but it’s going to be interesting for sure!

  9. SimonKillerJune 15, 2026

    Either Freeland or Ward. Edman has been playing a lot of OF.

  10. SimonKillerJune 15, 2026

    Easton Shelton is my biggest prospect surprise this season. As a traditionalist, RH power 1B will always appeal to me (Damn you Lasorda for trading Konerko!!)

  11. MattJune 15, 2026

    I predict something BIG. How often does a team get the chance to 3PEAT. Push all the chips to the table…..

  12. BearJune 15, 2026

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Will, but those numbers in the 2 hole are pretty awful. He is more comfortable in the 3 and 4.

  13. BearJune 15, 2026

    I don’t think they will send Ward down. Edman is basically a better version of Freeland. Switch hitter who can play multiple infield positions. Ward LH power hitting outfielder who can also back up Freddie at first.

  14. BobbyJune 15, 2026

    Or Espinal?

  15. BadgerJune 15, 2026

    I agree. And I’m still thinking they believe they will have the lineup to score runs. Against any pitcher? Not convinced of that. That’s why I think they will want to out pitch everybody in Sept/Oct. I’m still all in on Skubal or Joe Ryan (0.996 WHIP, 10.1 K9).

  16. BumsrapJune 15, 2026

    You favored Kim, I favored Freeland. Neither may survive.

  17. SimonKillerJune 15, 2026

    Sure, but remember that Rojas might be injured. He’s who I would like to see put on IL.

  18. SimonKillerJune 15, 2026

    Some might argue we did just that this offseason but we signed no SPs. Postseason rotation: 1. Yamamoto 2. Ohtani 3. Snell? 4. Glasnow? [I don’t see Sheehan or Sasaki getting a start] 5. Wrobleski? 6. Ryan? Gonna be a tough call. Decision go right up to deadline and depend largely on health projections. Four good starters is the goal, but three great ones and one five-and-diver also could would.

  19. BearJune 15, 2026

    His stats in the 3 and 4 hole based on over 200 games at each position in the lineup. Only other spot he has had more than 100 games at is #5 and he is a .250 hitter there.

  20. BumsrapJune 15, 2026

    The payroll says they already did something big. Outfield prospects aren’t ready yet but could be for 2027. Add cash with Tucker and he becomes tradable.

  21. BearJune 15, 2026

    Espinal might go, but he is a right-handed bat. I do not think so.

  22. BearJune 15, 2026

    Ryan is not getting the call.

  23. philjonesJune 15, 2026

    With all due respect Badger, a player can only do what he can at the level he’s assigned. Hitting over .300 in AAA these days earns a “so-what”. I get it, Kim’s OPS is lower because he’s not a power hitter. AAA is a hitter’s league but damn is a guy supposed to hit .400, and steal 50 bases? I’d like to see Kim bunt for hits more but I don’t think you can discount a guy for those AAA numbers.

  24. MushersPopJune 15, 2026

    Sounds like the best option.

  25. BumsrapJune 15, 2026

    Good to know

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