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There are just five days until July 30th at 6 PM, which is the MLB Trade Deadline. Remember also that there is no “Waiver Deadline” this year. The trade deadline is the final opportunity to make a trade. For weeks, most Dodger fans have been playing GM and putting together all…

By Mark Timmons4 min read32 comments

There are just five days until July 30th at 6 PM, which is the MLB Trade Deadline. Remember also that there is no “Waiver Deadline” this year. The trade deadline is the final opportunity to make a trade. For weeks, most Dodger fans have been playing GM and putting together all kinds of trades… most of which were of the “dope-fiend” variety. Since the All-Star Break, we have seen some bats start to wake up, namely Kike, and Gavin Lux, as well as Austin Barnes. However, Chris Taylor and Miguel Rojas just went on the IL, and Rojas’ “forearm tightness” has to be considered possibly “career-ending.” Miggy Ro is 35 and would be an unlikely candidate to have Tommy John Surgery at that age. If it is the UCL, then I would expect to see Miggy settle into a role with the Dodgers. That is going to happen.. whether it is next year or later.

I can see the Dodgers adding another infielder and maybe a CF like Bellinger, who will not cost much in prospect collateral. Still, I do not see them paying for another starter, especially after Clayton Kershaw showed that even the rust after missing the first half of the season does not dull his promise. Clayton will be fine. Walker Buehler will be back soon, and Bobby Miller will, too. River Ryan and Justin Wrobleski have shown they are ready. If we have learned anything this season, it is that you have better hoard young arms because, as of today, the Dodgers have the following pitchers out with Tommy John Surgery:

  • Tony Gonsolin
  • Dustin May
  • Kyle Hurt
  • Nick Frasso
  • Emmet Sheehan

Possibly only May and Gonsolin will be back next year. Hurt, Frasso, and Sheehan could be back late in the 2025 season or 2026. To be successful in these high velocities, high spin rates killing of arms, you have to “buy them cheap and stack them deep!” Next season, Shohei Ohtani may be back on the mound and the rotation will have these options:

  1. Ohtani
  2. Yamamoto
  3. Glasnow
  4. May
  5. Gonsolin
  6. Miller
  7. Stone
  8. Knack
  9. Wrobleski
  10. Ryan
  11. Maybe Buehler
  12. Maybe Kershaw

Next year, some of those pitchers will have Tommy John and on-and-on it goes. I do not see an end to this for the immediate future. You can also add in some of the following pitchers who may “graduate out of the Farm System” in the next year or two:

  • Jackson Ferris
  • Ben Casparius
  • Peyton Martin
  • Maddux Bruns
  • Hyun-Seok Jang

… and of course, there are Hurt, Frasso, and Sheehan, who should be back in 2026. Welcome to the “new way of pitching.” You don’t have to like it, but maximum effort, high spin rate, and blowing out arms are now the norm. Deal with it. Friedman is, and I do not think he will give up the requisite arms needed to acquire Crochet, Flaherty, or Skubal.

Miguel Vargas is better than Randy Arozarena! Kike, Barnsie, and Lux are looking better. James Outman is back and will be facing RHP only. Pages should only face LHP. I have to hope and pray that Max Muncy comes back in September and that Mookie will be back in two or three weeks. Sometimes, you just have to get lucky and have someone like Nick Amed play out of his mind. By all accounts, Cavan Biggio is working his ass off and is respected by his teammates. Results are not also immediate, but I guarantee that Friedman and Company know a hell of a lot more than us.

I am warming to the idea of Rich Hill. He could empty the tank the last two months of the season. He would make an impact on the youngsters as well. The Dodgers can sign bats over the winter, but I think it is imperative to keep the arms. They could trade for Shubal or Crochet only to see them undergo the knife as well.

X-CITES

https://twitter.com/DodgerBlue1958/status/1816609906734309794
This is weighing on Freddie!
https://twitter.com/DodgersNation/status/1816542489211552096
What an asshole this guy is!

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  1. NJ DodgerJuly 27, 2024

    Walkers stuff and control was not great tonight. A bunch of hard hit balls over 100mph and he only touched 95 -2 or 3 x’s. Mostly sat around 93/94.

    Hope he can figure it out in the next

    2-3 weeks.

    Stone and probably Glasnow (again) will need a break.

    Stone sooner rather then later.

    On the positive note Lefty Jackson Ferris pitched another gem for High A Great Lakes

    Only 20 yrs old.

    7 innings pitched

    5 hits

    1 run

    2 BB

    7 K

    For the month of July

    IP : 26

    SO : 31

    BB: 7

    ERA: 1.04

    Whip: 0.73

    After Justin W our top lefty starter prospect.

  2. 4-GensJuly 27, 2024

    Let’s be honest, these rookies of ours ( Vargas, Pages, Outman) may be good or even all-stars in the future, but I cannot see them contributing to a Championship in a meaningful way. They have their moments but it’s clear they’re treading water. They look overmatched against half decent pitchers and will disappear in the playoffs. Bellinger, Seager, et al had the it factor, not these guys.

  3. M. NorrisJuly 27, 2024

    Buehler got knocked around at AAA. 4 runs, 8 hits in 4 innings. 75 pitches.

  4. Mark TimmonsJuly 27, 2024

    It’s hard for me to focus on this game…

    Praying for Freddie Freeman’s son!

    Baseball is not life…

  5. Mark TimmonsJuly 27, 2024

    Teo in CF? Surely you jest!

  6. 4-GensJuly 27, 2024

    If Clayton is a playoff starter, the Dodgers are not winning unless he’s #4. I also think our playoff stay will be short unless we secure a top tier starter and an experienced playoff bat. I don’t see Moto coming back which means we don’t have a solid #2. Instead we have a collection of Buehler, Miller, Kershaw, Stone who are all #3 playoff pitchers meaning they are likely to give up 4 runs over 6 innings if we’re lucky. Without an experienced bat, Robert’s will Platoon again which does not work.. last years platoon of Taylor, Kike, Peralta, Outman and J-Hey batted .125. The Dodgers don’t have the balls to play the best playoff players— lasted Taylor and Kike hit well in the PO’s but got limited at bats. All this to say, let’s get solid OF we can play every game.

  7. Jorge ValenzuelaJuly 27, 2024

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  8. Jorge ValenzuelaJuly 26, 2024

    https://www.facebook.com/share/wd4bAbj8satSyHiU/?mibextid=lOuIew

    I hope you can see it in your country, it is in Spanish, but at least you can see the game, which is the important thing.

  9. Toycannon23July 26, 2024

    Jorge can you share Facebook link please

    Thanks

  10. Toycannon23July 26, 2024

    Just read on DC that Freddie fly back LA be with son. biggio at 1b, Gavin at 2b

  11. Jorge ValenzuelaJuly 26, 2024

    There is a Dodgers group on Facebook where you can watch all the games, even when they are on Apple TV, I have been able to watch them all.

  12. NJ DodgerJuly 26, 2024

    07/26/24

    Los Angeles Dodgers sent RHP’s Walker Buehler and Ryan Brasier on a rehab assignment to Oklahoma City Baseball Club

    Josue De Paula in the starting lineup for GL Loons tonight leading off at DH

    Was pulled early yesturday.

    Still with the team and hoping he stays.

  13. CassidyJuly 26, 2024

    Does US Water Systems have any deals like that? Didn’t think anything could make Paris look boring, but opening ceremony did it. I was hoping the torch bearer would just slip on one of the roofs and just end it.

  14. Mark TimmonsJuly 26, 2024

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  15. Mark TimmonsJuly 26, 2024

    Red Sox Fan on Twitter:

    Those pieces of shit dodgers had him beat us before cutting him.

    This is a “flyer” by AF. The kid is 17 and 5 or 6 years away. Who knows? But you throw enough stuff against the wall and some of it sticks.

  16. Toycannon23July 26, 2024

    Game on appletv

  17. WayneJuly 26, 2024

    Would someone tell me please if MLB.TV will air a replay of tonight’s game some time after it ends.

    Apple TV buffers on my comp.

  18. Toycannon23July 26, 2024

    Why is Biggio in there instead of Gavin ? Come on you knuckleheads Biggio has no biz on this team.

  19. porpoiseboyJuly 26, 2024

    France started the Olympics on a gay note. F France

  20. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 26, 2024

    8:10 PM ET

    Dodgers (62-42)

    Astros (53-49)

    SP Gavin Stone R

    9-3 3.19 ERA

    SP Framber Valdez L

    8-5 3.63 ERA

    Confirmed Lineup

    DH S. Ohtani L

    C Will Smith R

    1B F. Freeman L

    RF T. Hernandez R

    CF Andy Pages R

    LF M. Vargas R

    3B E. Hernandez R

    2B Cavan Biggio L

    SS Nick Ahmed R

    In Domed Stadium

  21. BradleyJuly 26, 2024

    Brett Rooker Tommy Pham Issace Paredes Jack Flarethy Isu Kirkuchi Jessie Winker Lane Thomas Bellinger Hornier Tallion Mason Miller Paul DeJong any of these guys would help this team. Lane Thomas and Jessie Winker from Nats yes that would be fun to see with the lineup we have.

  22. WayneJuly 26, 2024

    Paxton really helped the Dodgers this season, but AF knew it was time to move on. …tough, tough business.

  23. M. NorrisJuly 26, 2024

    I never believe the rumors until I see a player’s name on the roster on the Dodger website. Until that happens, all of them are BS> Paxton traded to Boston for some infielder named Moises Bolivar.

  24. MushersPopJuly 26, 2024

    Paxton to the Red Sox

  25. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 26, 2024

    Friday schedule

    4:05 p.m. PT: Great Lakes (Jackson Ferris) vs. Lake County (Dylan DeLucia)

    5:05 p.m.: Oklahoma City (Walker Buehler) vs. Tacoma (Jhonathan Diaz)

    5:05 p.m.: Tulsa (Carlos Duran) at Frisco (Kumar Rocker)

    6:35 p.m.: Rancho Cucamonga (Luke Fox) at Inland Empire (Barrett Kent)

  26. Watford DodgerJuly 26, 2024

    Dylan Floro would be a good reunion.

    Having a nice season with the Nats

  27. MushersPopJuly 26, 2024

    If Outman is here to play against RHP, why was Pages in CF? I suspect he would have caught the ball that went over Pages head. The Dodgers need a CF and it doesn’t look like Outman is it.

  28. BobbyJuly 26, 2024

    Randy Arrozarena traded to Seattle, so there goes that idea.

    I guess now we’ll know if Vargas is better come October, when Vargas sits on the bench.

  29. sbuffaloJuly 26, 2024

    I listen to what they say and read what you say.

    The Dodgers will do something, but I have no idea what that could be. Maybe a reliever. Mark is right, you could land a high profile starter and then they go down. Jack Flaherty may make more sense. He would provide quality depth in the rotation. I just don’t see Skubal being moved. Other teams probably need Crochet more, willing to pay a higher price. Hill is not a bad idea.

    But the Dodgers do have pitchers returning. Good to have Kershaw back. I’m guessing Yamamoto returns. Walker Buehler? No idea. He’ll be back, but what can the Dodgers expect? Could come back and pitch well. But, again, who knows.

    Good to have Glasnow back. Stone should be fine and the young pitchers are stepping up. Then there is Miller. Just a guess, but the Dodgers pursue depth . I just don’t see the Dodgers going all in, no matter what they say.

    The Dodgers are in a good position moving forward. Maybe a tweak or two is better than landing one of the “prizes.”

  30. CassidyJuly 26, 2024

    Let’s give Kersh a break. That was not a bad start for first time back from surgery. Compare to Miller and Buehler. If Kersh stays healthy, he’ll be a playoff starter. Can the Dodgers go into October with 4 healthy and reliable starters? We’ve got the horses if healthy.

  31. KevinJuly 26, 2024

    “Miguel Vargas is better than Randy Arozarena!”

    This statement is 100% false come on Mark.

  32. dodgerramJuly 26, 2024

    Ok. I have made my mind up what is best for the Dodgers at the deadline:

    Trade for Flaherty. He is on an expiring contract and should not cost the farm. I am fine with him being the Nr. 2 or 3 starter in a playoff series.

    Trade for Tanner Scott and Chisholm with the Marlins. Scott is the bona fide closer who does not make you tremble every time he goes out . Yes, everyone blows a save now and then but he is reliable and as close to automatic as they come . Chisholm kills two birds with one stone. Can play CF and the infield. With Rojas there would be no clubhouse war .

    This trade will not be cheap and will cost some prospect capital but the return is exactly what the Dodgers need.

    I think a package of Rushing, Knack plus two lower level prospects coud do it. Looking at the Arozarena trade and what little the Rays got in return I am hopeful the Dodgers can make that happen .

    Clayton was hit hard yesterday, 6 hits plus some loud outs too. The strikouts were encouraging but I do not think he would be a good option as a playoff starter if he does not improve in his next starts.

    Hill as an innings eater to lessen the load on our starters is an intriguing option. Especially if the Dodgers would be able to lock up the division early.

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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