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Can You Ever Have too Much Pitching?

There is an old saying in baseball that you can never have too much pitching, so it seems logical that Dodger fans want Andrew Friedman to pick up more pitchers. Some Dodger fans thought that Andrew Friedman would sign Justin Verlander or Jacob deGrom. He didn’t sign either one…

By Mark Timmons5 min readJump to 113 comments

There is an old saying in baseball that you can never have too much pitching, so it seems logical that Dodger fans want Andrew Friedman to pick up more pitchers. Some Dodger fans thought that Andrew Friedman would sign Justin Verlander or Jacob deGrom. He didn’t sign either one and then proceeded to let Andrew Heaney, Tyler Anderson, Chris Martin, and Tommy Kahnle walk. Now I hear Dodger fans want to trade for a closer, such as Liam Hendriks. You can never have too much pitching… Right? Others want Friedman to sign Carlos Rodon, Chris Bassitt, or some other Starting Pitcher because you can never have too much pitching… Right?

In the case of the Dodgers and having too much pitching, I say that is wrong! You can only carry 12 or 13 pitchers on the roster at a time, and if you have a very good farm system as the Dodgers do, you HAVE to let them grow into roles they may be ready for. Andrew Friedman is not afraid to try new things. Over the past several years he has demonstrated a proclivity to take on pitchers who were injured or out of sorts as reclaimation projects. He was successful with some and not successful with others.

Brandon Morrow was a success story. So were Tyler Anderson, Evan Phillips, Yency Almonte, Andrew Heaney, and Chris Martin. Danny Duffy, Tommy Kahnle, and others that Friedman invested in were not a good deal. I suspect he will not be so active in the future in acquiring injured players. Still, I do not blame him for trying. It’s classic low risk – high reward!

The truth is: the Dodgers do not need to add any expensive pitching. We don’t know when Bobby Miller will be ready, but it very well could be THIS year. Ryan Pepiot and Gavin Stone ARE ready ths year. One of the things I have disagreed with Andrew Friedman about is that he sometimes holds back players… especially pitchers. Unless he bombs during Spring Training (and that could happen), Gavin Stone needs to be moved to the 40-man roster and be on the Opening Day Dodger Roster. Ryan Pepiot is right there too.

Let’s look at what the Dodgers starting pitchers look like right about now (the order is irrelevant):

  1. Julio Urias (one of the top starters in baseball)
  2. Dustin May (he has been used very cautiously and now will be ready for 120+ innings)
  3. Tony Gonsolin (no evidence his injury was anything but arm fatigue)
  4. Clayton Kershaw (I will take a duplication of what he did last year)
  5. Gavin Stone (I have been beating this drum for a while)
  6. Ryan Pepiot (a 3.47 ERA as a rookie is pretty dang good – expect improvement)
  7. Bobby Miller (great expectations but has not delivered)
  8. Mike Grove (he performed as expected and may not be a starter)
  9. Trevor Bauer (the 800 Pound Gorilla in the Room – Public Perception is now more on his side)

That is enough depth. Walker Buehler will be back in 2024, and it is not a definite thing that he will be dominant again… be we wait and see. Gonsolin realized his potential last year. Hopefully, this is the year for Dustin May. You have to give it the opportunity. You can have too much pitching if you are blocking the kids.

Then I hear that the Dodgers need a closer – Liam Hendriks has been mentioned, even though the White Sox say they have no intention of trading him. Remember the last closer we acquired from the White Sox? No, thank you! Liam Hendriks will be 34 next season. He toiled in the A’s system for 7 or 8 years until he became their closer. He has a 3.81 ERA in his career and typically blows 4 to 7 saves a year. The problem with Dodger fans is that they see what a guy was, not what he will be! Liam Hendriks is the Flavor of the Week!

You can have Liam Hendriks, and I will take Evan Phillips (1.14 ERA/0.76 WHIP). He’s almost six years younger, and he is ready to close. If he falters, the Dodgers have Daniel Hudson (2.22 ERA, 5-6 in save opportunities last year), Yency Almonte (1.02 ERA & filthy), and Alex Vesia (2.15 ERA). All of them had a better ERA than Hendriks! Like Hendriks, they have not been established closers as yet, but I will take the Dodger’s back-end of the bullpen over just about anyone’s. That bullpen includes the following:

  1. Caleb Ferguson (1.82 ERA)
  2. Andre Jackson (1.86 ERA – he is going to be outstanding as a reliever)
  3. Jake Reed (1.93 ERA – AF sees something in him and so do I)
  4. Bazooka (he just needs a little tweak to become unhittable – but I can’t guarantee it)
  5. Phil Bickford (not spectacular but reliable)
  6. Victor Gonzalez (said to be pain-free and svelte)
  7. Shelby Miller (another rehab project)

With Hudson, Phillips, Vesia, and Almonte, that is an outstanding bullpen! Just say no to Liam Hendriks.

Paid Professional Sportswriters are Frequently Wrong!

Witness Jon Heyman trying to he the first to break a story and spouting false information. Heyman is connected to many people within the game, but someone gave him some false information, and he was quick to pass it on. He wanted to be the Hero and instead was branded the GOAT (and I do not mean G.O.A.T.). During this time of year, believe half of what you see and none of what you read. Guys like Andrew Friedman will mislead you. At this juncture, I’d say my record is better than Heyman’s, so you need to give me a raise! 😉

I hear that Farhan is suicidal today!

Rule 5 Draft Today

The Dodgers could lose five players on None… or something in-between. It depends upon what other teams value.

Aaron Bates Promoted

With Brandt Brown moving to the Marlins, Aaron bates will become the hitting coach along with Robert Van Scoyoc. It remains to be seen what that means… if anything. I have heard rumblings that AF wants to cut down on strikeouts (if only by 10%).

Goodbye, Cody, We will remember you back in 2019. Good Luck (except when playing the Dodgers)

Mitch Haniger

The Giants are paying him to be a solid starter, but he will be 32 and has seldom been healthy. I put this is the category of a “dope-fiend move.” 3 Year/$43.5 Million deal. The Dodgers are going to be “bottom feeders” on this. I like a $3 Million/1 Year deal for Andrew McCutchen. That may or may not happen, but this is what the Dodgers are looking for in LF.

Patience Grasshoppers! Something will happen at SS, but it may not even be this year (2022). It might be sometime in 2023!

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  1. BlutoDecember 7, 2022

    Here’s my attempt at (and I say this with love and admiration) a Timmons-esque conspiracy theory

    Friedman is waiting until Dodgers fans become so impatient for a move that all predispositions to Correa are countered and the fanbase welcomes him.

  2. RC DodgerDecember 7, 2022

    Thanks for the article, Mark.

    Dodgers are taking a very patient approach to the off-season so far, while the Padres and Giants are very active pursuing free agents. The Dodgers have lost significant talent from last year’s team through free agency and injury including:

    Staff ace and 2 other starters – Buehler, Anderson, Heaney

    4 everyday starters at SS, CF, 3B, and LF- TT, Belli, JT, Gallo/Pollock

    4 relievers including closer and setup man- Treinen, Kimbrel, Martin, Kahnle.

    These are significant losses and many were choices made by the GM to not bring back these players. And to date the Dodgers have done nothing to replace the talent loss.

    Alternatively, the team that eliminated the Dodgers have made offers of $342 million to TT and $400 million to Judge in the last 24 hours. They also added Soto, Hader, Bell, and Drury at the trade deadline while the Dodgers brought in Gallo! And the Padres have Tatis returning next year also.

    At this point, the Padres have urgency to win now while the Dodgers seem content to rebuild.

    Also, other NL teams like Phils, Mets, Cards, and Braves have improved their rosters more than the Dodgers so far.

    I understand that Friedman tends to wait out the overpays, but there is a risk that the market has moved away from him, and now other teams have larger budgets than the Dodgers.

    Hopefully, Friedman can find good replacements for the 11 players that have been lost from last years team, and put together a roster that can compete for the playoffs and World Series.

  3. BoboDecember 7, 2022

    So much for peace on earth, good will toward fellow Dodger fans.

    Thanks Eric for your transparency, we care about you.

  4. Mark TimmonsDecember 7, 2022

    You would not have believed the posts he sent that I blocked. Ask B & P he saw them. It was the vilest of the vile.

  5. BlutoDecember 7, 2022

    joke or name-calling?

  6. ayebatterDecember 7, 2022

    Peanut Gallery: a source of insignificant criticism.

  7. Mark TimmonsDecember 7, 2022

    But of course, I am. They give me all kinds of freebies and pay me huge amounts of money to do that. Actually, I get nothing… not even a Christmas card anymore (I used to get them).

    So, if that makes me an ass-kisser, I guess you are just the ass!

  8. dodgerramDecember 7, 2022

    Judge stays with Yanks. 9 years 360

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!

  9. Watford DodgerDecember 7, 2022

    Kenley is a Red Sox

    2 years $32m

    World’s gone mad.

  10. CassidyDecember 7, 2022

    Welcome back Eric! All those in favor of doubling Mark’s salary say aye! What am I ever going to complain about next year now that Bellinger is a Cub. Help me out here B&P! In all seriousness, I wish him well and hope that he can find the magic once again. Just not at Dodger Stadium!

  11. tedraymondDecember 7, 2022

    Excellent write up Mark. The starting pitching will have some injuries during the year. With Gonsolin and Kershaw it’s almost assured. So, will AF add a veteran or go with the prospects? I think initially he will use either Stone, Pepiot, Miller, or Grove. I like Grove for the BP. He seemed to not be afraid to attack the hitters and threw strikes. It would be nice to have the Bauer conundrum resolved soon. If the youngsters aren’t effective then a trade or two might be in the cards. The price for pitching in the FA market is crazy. AF will wait until the madness stops if he wants to make a move

    I agree that Hendriks isn’t needed especially with the cost involved. There’s usually a reason a team is willing to trade a successful closer. He’s not going to be effective in the future. The Dodgers experienced that scenario last season with Kimbrel. Just read Kenley signed with Boston.

    Carry on

  12. Tom1946December 7, 2022

    Eric –

    As a veteran human being, I have navigated through some difficult times in my life as I am sure many others on this site have. It is easy to dwell on our problems and negative life experiences especially if we are isolated. Building your own support network is essential whether it is professionals, family, friends, etc. LADT is a one of those support elements because it connects you with contemporaries who share a common interest. Jim Valvano, a young, successful college basketball coach said it best in a 1993 speech just before he passed in his “Don’t Ever Give Up” speech. Google it and good luck!

  13. BobbyDecember 7, 2022

    Reports that padres offered Judge 10-400

    Wtf

  14. Tom1946December 7, 2022

    Mark –

    I think your analysis of Dodger pitching philosophy and 2023 options is right on. I think this is the year to see who among the young pitchers is a “keeper” and who isn’t. I don’t think $40M+ per year for 40-year olds is good strategy (i.ie. Mets). We should be thankful for the pitching coaching staff throughout the organization.

    You also made a good point yesterday in one of your comments regarding Bellinger and his move to the Cubs. You pointed out that if he is able to regain his confidence and swing there it will reflect poorly on RVS, I agree and am rooting for Bellie to turn it around.

    Sadly, I can’t say I am impressed with the Dodger organization’s hitting instructors. Remember back in the 1970s when we had a home grown infield that hit more that their weight – Garvey, Cey, Lopes and Russell. Let’s give the young hitters in the organization (Vargas, Outman, etc.) the chance to show what they can do in 2023 and in the process evaluate Dodger organization hitting instructors.

  15. EricDecember 7, 2022

    Thank you to all of you. I’ll hopefully be back. Long story short I was born with a disability and have been shunned by the other gender all my life and some cruel words have been used.

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