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Why are there no workhorse pitchers?

It used to be that every team had at least one or two “workhorse” starting pitchers. These are the guys who started 33 to 37 games a season and pitched 25 complete games! In 1966, the Dodgers used a four-man rotation, which was composed of Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Claude…

By Mark Timmons3 min readJump to 82 comments

It used to be that every team had at least one or two “workhorse” starting pitchers. These are the guys who started 33 to 37 games a season and pitched 25 complete games! In 1966, the Dodgers used a four-man rotation, which was composed of Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Claude Osteen, and Don Sutton. Let’s look at the stat lines:

  • Sandy Koufax – 41 GS/27 CG/323 IP/1.73 ERA
  • Don Drysdale – 40 GS/11 CG/273.2 IP/3.42 ERA
  • Claude Osteen – 38 GS/8 CG/ 240.1 IP/2.85 ERA
  • Don Sutton – 35 GS/ 6 CG/225.2 IP/225.2

Before I continue, we need to watch this:

“The good old days weren’t always good!” Remember that part because what I am going to say next is probably going to get me crucified for baseball heresy. We will never see those kinds of numbers again (on a consistent basis). Today, the pitchers are so much better athletically. They are stronger, throw harder (faster), and the sliders and curveballs are filthier. In the process, they put so much stress and torque on their arms that injuries are a huge part of the game. Yes, there are a few “throwbacks,” such as Verlander, Cole, Scherzer, and a few others, but the human arm, shoulder, and body are just not designed to operate under that degree of stress. When asked about Sandy Koufax, an Oldtimer said this:

He is sacred.” Koufax was an American baseball legend. He possessed a 100-mph fastball and what announcer Vin Scully called “a twelve-to-six curveball” that started at 12 o’clock then dropped to 6 o’clock. From 1963–1966, he had the best four-year span of any pitcher in baseball history.

— Unknown

The thing is, that was the man, the myth, the legend. Some say he threw 100 MPH, but the consensus seems to be that it was around 95 MPH. It’s just that his amazing curve ball that just fell off a table made his fastball seem that much faster. Back in Sandy’s day, it was unusual to see someone throw as hard as he did. Today, the Dodgers may have 30-50 pitchers in their system who throw in the high 90’s and low 100’s! The result has been a plethora of Tommy John Surgeries and numerous other maladies induced by extreme pressure exerted upon the human body and, specifically, the arm.

If you had a time machine and dropped Micky Mantle, Willie Mays, and a number of old-time Hall-of-Fame players off into 2023, there is no doubt in my mind that they would struggle to hit. They would figure it out, but I also believe they would not have the career numbers that they did then. All of this speed and torque put on a pitcher’s arm as well as the era of specialization and analytics, has made baseball a different game.

Athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster, but ligaments and tendons are the same. What role adding 20 pounds of muscle played in blowing out Gavin Lux’s knee may never be known, but logic says it could have played a part. Let’s face it, we have never seen this great game played at such a high level by such amazing athletes as we have today.

Back in the good old days, we knew nothing about “spin rate,” launch angle, exit velocity, and the like. We did not have advanced analytics that told us a certain player could not hit a ball in a certain part of the zone. This is not written to denigrate or diminish what old-time players have done… just to show that the times have changed and are a changing.

The Dodgers AA Tulsa Rotation

Jim Callis, Sam Dykstra, and Jonathan Mayo were assigned by MLB.com to write a column on “Here is an encouraging prospect story from each farm system” Evidently, they could not find a simple player to write about for the Dodgers… so they picked six:

Dodgers: the entire Tulsa Drillers rotation
We’re doing something different here because we couldn’t pick just one Drillers starter. Right-handers Nick Nastrini, Nick Frasso, River Ryan, Emmet Sheehan, Landon Knack and Kyle Hurt — all members of our Dodgers Top 30 — have quality stuff and are dealing in Double-A, combining for a 1.74 ERA and 165/34 K/BB ratio in 124 1/3 innings. Los Angeles has plenty of imminent pitching help and trade fodder.

What a huge compliment. Six starters – all with nasty stuff and the Dodger’s Top Two pitching Prospects are not even there. Bobby Miller and Gavin Stone are at OKC.

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  1. QuasimodoMay 11, 2023

    I can’t agree or disagree because I don’t know and it’s hard where so many things in life and times have been adverse to simple reasoning. Like sky watching tribal groups with no other tools but their eyes got so many things right about the cosmos. Galileo ground his own lenses to observe planetary motion to prove they were correct at a later date. And even with how advanced todays tools have become it’s not simple to say intelligence is advanced through time. I don’t think all past players would have difficulty playing in today’s game. When the country was saturated in the game the cream rose to the top and the best of the best was picked from a much larger playing field. And besides, I don’t let anything fog my lens of my heroes. I just don’t know the rest.

  2. BlutoMay 11, 2023

    I heard Theo Epstein’s next push will be to limit the amount of pitchers teams can have on the general roster.

    His goal is to make pitchers BACK into the role of protagonists.

  3. Andrew Vincent ForteMay 11, 2023

    March 28, 2022 Los Angeles Dodgers traded 1B Matt Beaty to San Diego Padres for RHP River Ryan. Another stupid move by the GM of the Padres.

  4. DavidMay 11, 2023

    True. Comparing players to those of 70-100 years ago not worthwhile. Science and conditioning has changed everything in ALL sports. Just look at any pictures from the 1950’s. Most guys in ALL sports were under 6 feet tall and kind of puny looking. Now even sprinters are doing weight work.

    So we can only compare players to those they are playing against.

  5. CassidyMay 11, 2023

    Totally agree Mark. The human elbow was never designed to throw 90 mph sliders! And I’m keeping an eye out for Jake Polarski who could be a hidden gem.

  6. Johnny GentleMay 11, 2023

    Enjoy the minor league content.

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