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Who are the Buyers or Sellers?

We are going to talk about a couple of my favorite sayings today: Relievers are fickle; and What you see today, ain t what you will see tomorrow! Who is buying and selling? It s not entirely clear right about now, but the Giants are the hottest team in baseball. MadBum says this is the best run he has ever been on. I m sure Farhan hates it, but he may have to

By Mark Timmons4 min readJump to 141 comments

We are going to talk about a couple of my favorite sayings today:

  • Relievers are fickle;” and
  • What you see today, ain’t what you will see tomorrow!”

Who is buying and selling? It’s not entirely clear right about now, but the Giants are the hottest team in baseball. MadBum says this is the best run he has ever been on. I’m sure Farhan hates it, but he may have to buy… not sell. The next 7 days will tell the tale. There are so many teams still in or almost in that it is hard to predict who will sell.

Fickle Relievers

It’s no secret that today’s best relievers may have been on the scrap heap yesterday and/or may be back there in the near future. Three of the most sought after relievers at the trade deadline are Kirby Yates, Shane Greene, and Ken Giles. Their respective teams will most certainly have them for sale. Let’s look at their past records:

Kirby Yates

  • 2014 – 3.75 ERA
  • 2015 – 7.97 ERA
  • 2016 – 5.23 ERA
  • 2017 – 3.97 ERA
  • 2018 – 2.14 ERA
  • 2019 – 1.05 ERA

That’s pretty sick now, but it was a long road to where he is now and pitching on a lower echelon team begs the question “How will he do with pressure?”

Shane Greene

  • 2014 – 3.78 ERA
  • 2015 – 6.88 ERA
  • 2016 – 5.28 ERA
  • 2017 – 2.66 ERA
  • 2018 – 5.12 ERA
  • 2019 – 1.22 ERA

Who really, really is Shane Greene?

Ken Giles

  • 2014 – 1.18 ERA
  • 2015 – 1.80 ERA
  • 2016 – 4.11 ERA
  • 2017 – 2.30 ERA*
  • 2018 – 4.65 ERA
  • 2019 – 1.59 ERA

*Imploded in the playoffs with 11.74 ERA

So tell me how confident you are in acquiring any of those three relievers. They have been hot and cold and one has just totally imploded on the big stage. It should be noted that his team (the Astros) won the 2017 World Series anyway. Kenley Jansen looks like Marino Rivera in the playoffs compared to him.

Building a World Championship Bullpen is PURE FICTION! It’s not science… more like VooDoo! Sometimes pure, blind luck. Most of the time, it really means very little.

What You see Today, May not be What you see Tomorrow!

Will the Dodgers make any trades?

I think so, but I don’t think there will be many prospects traded and probably only 1 Top 10 Prospect. Lux, Ruiz, Smith, May, Downs, Gray, Gonsolin, and Peters are pretty much untouchable. I do think that Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling are at the top of the trading list, along with some prospects. I can’t predict who the Dodgers will acquire, but I do think that Gavin Lux will play a big part in the playoff run and the playoffs. Yes, Gavin Lux will be called up in the next week.

Joc Pederson has been playing 1B to showcase him to any team that needs a 1B. He’s going to cost a lot next year and he’s LH. To top it all off, he can’t hit LHP. Lux can, Muncy can, Verdugo can, Bellinger can, Seager can. Within the next two weeks, Gavin Lux will be the starting 2B for the Dodgers. Book it!

Lineup:

  1. Verdugo LF
  2. Seager SS
  3. Turner 3B
  4. Bellinger RF
  5. Muncy 1B
  6. Pollock CF
  7. Lux 2B
  8. Catcher

The catcher may be Will Smith with Beaty, Martin, Barnes, Hernandez and Taylor as the stuntmen. Of course, Taylor is on the IL and it’s possible that Kike ends up there as well. Hopefully, Striplings’ neck is fine.

To those of you who think the Dodgers really need Chicken Strip to start, I submit that the Dodgers can make do with about anyone in that spot. They just need for the offense to be more potent and Lux and Will Smith can help do that.

For those of you who think Cody has regressed, I call that “high comedy.” He goes one game without a hit and he has “regressed?” Players go through peaks and valleys. Cody is still hitting .331 while Mike Trout is at .296 and yet everyone is calling Trout the MVP. Cody is pressing a little because teams are not pitching to him and last night’s umpire was putrid. Actually, the entire team is in a malaise.

The Dodgers and Yankees are running neck-and-neck for the best record in baseball, but the Dodgers have a 14.5 game lead and it is easy to lose focus. Sometimes the manager just has to let that happen for a while to get over the mental grind. I would like to see Dave Roberts be more “old school” with the umpires and opposing teams, but maybe last night was not the time. With this kind of lead, sometimes it is best to let the team off the hook… mentally for a spell. The team is kind of on cruise control right now. In a few days, it’s time to flip the switch… Here come’s Smith & Lux. If Kike goes on the IL, I think they will go with three catchers for a while.

MT’s Minor League Report

OKC Dodger’s – The Dodgers pounded the Nashville Sounds 10-6 as Rios and Peters each hit their 20th HR. Peters went 3-5 and Lux went 2-4 with 2 walks. Zach Reks was also 2-5 with a double. Brock Stewart started and ent 5 innings, allowing 5 hits and 2 ER. Sborz and Quackenbush closed out the game with 2 no-hot innings.

Tulsa Drillers – Josiah Gray pitched 7 innings and allowed ZERO earned runs but is 0-2 with a 2.19 ERAS at AA because the Drillers only scored 1 run as they lost 2-1 on two errors. Estevez went 2-4 and that was about it. I can see Gray getting a call to AAA before the season is over. He is a man among men.

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  1. Watford DodgerJuly 26, 2019

    I’m looking forward to the Smith/Ruiz era.

    When was the last time the Dodgers had a decent all round Catcher?

    Don’t say AJ…..

  2. HawkeyedodgerJuly 26, 2019

    BTW, Lux played 2B tonight and had two hits. Gonsolin got shelled. Keibert had two hits.

  3. 59inarowJuly 26, 2019

    Man, I don’t see it this way at all. At the 2017 Trade Deadline, Darvish looked like a better pitcher between the two. On July 24, Verlander’s ERA was a full run higher than Darvish. Verlander was NOT traded at the deadline, but was traded after it through waivers. So, the Dodgers grabbed the best pitcher available at the deadline and the Astros got lucky. None of the prospects that Houston sent to the Tigers are on the roster, they’re all sucking in the minors. How’s that prospect huggers?

    We got the biggest prize last year in Manny Machado and did pretty well with Rick Hill and Josh Reddick.

    I don’t know why people keep saying Andrew is too cheap to pull off a big trade. What team has done more at the deadline the last three years?

  4. WilliamJuly 26, 2019

    A recent article at MLB.com indicates that Houston and Washington are very interested in Felipe Vazquez, along with the Dodgers, and as was mentioned above, the Braves. Not only does Vazquez seem as sure a thing as one can be in terms of available relief pitchers, but if we did not get him, and he went to any of those teams, particularly the NL ones, it would certainly be detrimental to our title chances. So I hope that we have the will, and the willingness to go over the luxury tax for next year, to get him. We really don’t need one of the better teams in our league to end up with one of the best relief pitchers in the game. I would assume that we would play at least one of Atlanta and Washington in the playoffs. I hope that we don’t end up with another Verlander situation. And the issue goes past this year to the next two, as well.

  5. Always CompeteJuly 26, 2019

    With respect to Thor…“The Mets “want to move” Syndergaard in a trade, a rival evaluator tells ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). The feeling amongst many outside evaluators is that the Mets are “fully intent” on dealing Syndergaard. As to The Athletic’s Marc Carig hears from a rival executive, the asking price on Syndergaard is something in the range of a top-30 prospect “and a couple of other solid pieces.”

    That does not sound like May or Ruiz need to be involved.

  6. Always CompeteJuly 26, 2019

    I know I have been an advocate for keeping Barnes behind the ML dish, and I felt it was justified when I wrote it. But after the errant throw, I think Austin is just trying too hard, and is fighting it. His confidence has been shot to a significant degree. I am okay with Barnes being optioned, but now that everyone has their wish, when Smith starts to struggle (and he will), I am wondering if everyone is going to jump on him and insist that K-Bear take over. Smith is going to be the primary catcher.

    Admittedly I do like Austin Barnes, and maybe the best thing for him is a change in environment. Travis d’Arnaud got out of NY and has magically become a significant contributor for Tampa Bay. All three of the Tigers catchers are hitting worse than Austin.

    John Hicks – .184/.218/.306/.523

    Grayson Greiner – .162/.2311/.279/.510

    Bobby Wilson – .098/.140/.122/.261

    SF Giants – Buster Posey is going to need to play more 1B, Stephen Vogt is in his FA year and will be 35 next year, and Joey Bart is at least 2 years out. Farhan traded for Austin once before, maybe he will again. How about Barnes, Estevez, Garcia (or Floro), and an A level lottery pick for Tony Watson and Sam Dyson? Then the two Santana’s (Dennis and Cristian) for Ken Giles.

    I have no idea if that would interest the Giants or Toronto. Maybe Shaggy has to go to Toronto. Simply thinking out loud on how to improve the bullpen and not hurt the future. The Dodgers may also want to hold onto Barnes as a backup for Smith next year. I would love to be in their meetings to understand what they are thinking.

  7. AdamJuly 26, 2019

    I bet Stripling to dl for White. We don’t need a 5th starter until 7/30 and it lines up for a Gonsolin spot start.

  8. Mark TimmonsJuly 26, 2019

    It will be interesting as to who catches Kershaw and Buehler with Barnes gone.

  9. Mark TimmonsJuly 26, 2019

    Austin can’t complain and neither can the pitching staff. They gave him every opportunity but for whatever reason, he couldn’t do it. I believe he is a major league catcher… maybe he needs a change of organization.

    Not every hitter will respond to RVS’s program. Maybe Austin needs a different plan. Is Kike going on the DL?

    Not to worry, the Dodgers do have another SS on the roster: One Russell Nathan Coltrane Jeanson Martin Jr.

  10. BlutoJuly 26, 2019

    The Dodgers optioned Austin Barnes today and Will Smith will rejoin them tomorrow in Washington.

  11. Jorge ValenzuelaJuly 26, 2019

    Is oficial: Barnes down, Smith up…..

  12. 59inarowJuly 26, 2019

    According to Jorge Castillo of the Los Angeles Times, the Dodgers have optioned catcher Austin Barnes to Oklahoma City. In the corresponding move, they have recalled catcher Will Smith. It’s expected that Smith will join the club this weekend in Washington D.C.

    Thank God we can put that to rest.

  13. AdamJuly 25, 2019

    Gonsolin,Ruiz, Stripling, and 2 lottos for Thor and Diaz who says no?

    Actually maybe have to include gray as well and only 1 lotto

  14. AdamJuly 25, 2019

    Gonsolin,Ruiz, Stripling, and 2 lottos for Thor and Diaz who says no?

  15. BellingerBuehlerJuly 25, 2019

    Tyler White is on the 40 man roster but not on the 25 man roster.

    ?

  16. norcaldodgerfanJuly 25, 2019

    Saw a post on TBLA that mentioned Austin Barnes is not listed on the 25 man roster on the Dodgers website. Sure enough checked it out myself and the only catcher listed is Martin. Barnes has been optioned to OKC. That organic switch from Barnes to Smith is happening!!!!!!!!

  17. 59inarowJuly 25, 2019

    A lot has been said about the hitting at OKC compared to Tulsa. Just 100 miles apart, why would the difference be so dramatic? With the hitters doing better at OKC compared to Tulsa, how do we explain Dustin May being better as well on the hill?

    With all the talk about Smith and Lux being promoted, there almost as much talk about May being on the verge of promotion as well, maybe before rosters expand. Wow!

  18. CassidyJuly 25, 2019

    Put Belli in there as well. His last 50+ games are way down. About .265. Both he and Muncy chasing that down and in breaking ball again and not squaring up those middle fastballs And JOC has been in a rut as well. Boy we need Seager to be Seager again by post season if we’re gonna win this thing

  19. BobbyJuly 25, 2019

    Mets are now looking to move both Syndegard and Edwin Diaz. I hope we’re on the phones asking the price

  20. BumsrapJuly 25, 2019

    If we pay attention and remember what we generally say then it won’t surprise anybody that I may be the least enthralled with Muncy and Verdugo. So Mark, we would have different lineup projections if I were to throw one out.

    I would like to see Lux and Smith play. Kike’ and Taylor are hurt and Barnes and Martin continue to not hit. The last 30 games have been below average for Muncy and Verdugo who are both striking out at a higher rate and getting on base less.

    Is Verdugo tiring or is he getting figured out?

  21. CassidyJuly 25, 2019

    Could he be part of a trade?

  22. Always CompeteJuly 25, 2019

    This is the kind of transaction that appears frustrating. Tyler White is out of options and has to be on the 25 man roster, so whose place is he going to take? Perhaps David Freese is sufficiently hurt that a return to the IL is necessary. If not, that means Matt Beaty goes back down. It cannot be Kike’ going on the IL because there is nobody else who can play SS. I am guessing that Russell Martin or Max Muncy would be the emergency SS. But if Kike’ goes onto the IL, then Lux has to be called up.

    Is White going to be the 1B or just a RH bench bat? He does not provide any help with LHP, as he has significant reverse splits. Against LHP he is batting .162/.267/.243/.511. Joc is hitting .182/.182/.212/.394 against LHP. I am not seeing any real improvement. Beaty’s numbers against LHP are worse than wither White or Joc.

    I do not know anything about White defensive abilities, but he has split his time between 1B/DH, so I am surmising that he is more of a bat than a glove. And that bat is not that good.

    The cost is a potentially good relief pitcher, Andre Scrubb. Yes he was one that I have been following since he was drafted in 2016 (8th round). He was normally progressing and is 24 at AA doing fine. For his career, Scrubb has been in 108 games and has a 21-6 record. He has 175 IP with a 2.37 ERA and a 1.25 WHIP. 95 BB and 201 K. He has allowed 9 HRs in those 175 IP. If he can cut down on his walks, he could go from a decent middle reliever to a potential setup guy. He misses a lot of bats, but too many times it puts them on base. I am guessing that Brent Strom can work some magic with him.

    Maybe Tyler White is this year’s Steve Pearce. It is not a transaction that looks like a winner for me, but I do not know the whole story. If White can somehow help this year, I am fine with it. But a 28 year old journeyman 1B is not a long term option, and he has a lot to prove to show that he will be a benefit this year.

  23. Watford DodgerJuly 25, 2019

    Would Hundley be an upgrade at Catcher for rest of season?

    Available now.

  24. BobbyJuly 25, 2019

    Since Gavin Lux is coming, can I say that he’ll be the 2nd coming of Daniel Murphy (with better defense at 2b of course)

  25. BellingerBuehlerJuly 25, 2019

    Ken Gurnick is reporting.

    “With David Freese’s health an ongoing concern, the Dodgers bolstered their right-handed bench on Thursday by acquiring first baseman Tyler White from Houston for Minor League right-handed pitcher Andre Scrubb. Dodgers management sees White as right-handed depth for a bench that is heavily left-handed. The best right-handed role player on the roster is Freese, who has been hobbled by knee and hamstring issues since before the All-Star break.”

    .162 .267 .243 .511 vs lefties this season.

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