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What Value Do Other Teams Place on Dodger Prospects?

So yesterday the Cubs acquired Justin Wilson and Alex Avila from the Tigers for Jeimer Candelario and Isaac Parades and a PTBNL. Candelario is the #92 MLB prospect, but Parades is the guy the Tigers really wanted. Baseball insiders think Parades has a chance to be a special SS. The Cubs needed a catcher like Avilia so this fills two spots for them. The Dodgers had no need for Avilia,

By Mark Timmons3 min readJump to 121 comments

So yesterday the Cubs acquired Justin Wilson and Alex Avila from the Tigers for Jeimer Candelario and Isaac Parades and a PTBNL. Candelario is the #92 MLB prospect, but Parades is the guy the Tigers really wanted. Baseball insiders think Parades has a chance to be a special SS.  The Cubs needed a catcher like Avilia so this fills two spots for them.  The Dodgers had no need for Avilia, so the Cubs won out. The Cubs now have ZERO of the TOP 100 MLB Prospects while the Dodgers have six… count ’em 6!

So, one might think that the Dodgers would have no problem putting together a deal for Darvish or Gray or even Britton, but there are a couple of factors you need to consider first before you decide if that is true.

  1. Just like FAZ was steadfast in not trading Seager, Pederson, Urias, Bellinger and Stewart in the past couple of years (those were the players teams were asking for) in the past two years, they are steadfast in not trading Alex Verdugo and Walker Buehler, and those are the two players Texas is seeking… probably Oakland too.
  2. You have to consider how other teams value Dodger prospects.  Even Ray Charles can see that Alex Verdugo has the potential to be “Tony Gwynn-esque.”  Will he?  Only time will tell, but he has “batting champion” written all over him.  Walker Buehler can be an Ace – Think Zack Greinke when you think of him.  It’s easy for us as fans to say, “Just offer Texas Alvarez and Calhoun” but maybe the Rangers do not value flame-throwing pitchers with control problems who have regressed, or players with steel mitts and tree-trunk legs.

Certain teams have certain needs – trades are not made just because a prospect is ranked higher than another prospect.  I think lots of teams would take a chance on Yadier Alvarez, but they do not value him as a top prospect.  To get Chris Sale, the Red Sox had to give up the #1 MLB prospect and the #12 MLB prospect among other things.  To get Quintana, the Cubs had to give up the #7 MLB prospect and to get Wilson and Avila they had to give up their last Top 100 prospect and another younger prospect who could be the centerpiece of the deal.  We have no idea what the Dodgers would have given up.

I would think the Dodgers could put together a package of Alvarez, Calhoun, White, Diaz and Smith to get Gray or Alvarez, but who knows how Texas or Oakland values those players?  I do think Britton or Reed or Hand is a possibility but to get Darvish or Gray, it is going to take Verdugo and/or Buehler and I don’t think Friedman will trade either one.

I loved what Grant Brisbee (thanks to Bluto) wrote about starting pitching yesterday:

The Giants’ starting pitchers threw three quality starts against the Dodgers this weekend. Each one of them pitched into the seventh inning. Over the last two games, they combined for 14 innings and two runs allowed.

They lost every game. They will lose more games before the season is over. Dozens of them. And while maybe none of them will be as miserable as the three this weekend, they’ll be pretty miserable.

How does that San Fran starting pitching that was held up as a model for the Dodgers look right about now?

Clayton Kershaw looked extremely healthy yesterday – he was firing that ball and getting full extension in his windup and follow through.  He will be back this week – BOOK IT!  If the Dodgers could get a starter without giving up Verdugo or Buehler, I’m all in, but I doubt that will happen.  When the Cubs got Chapman last year, it cost them the #3 Top Prospect.  What will Britton cost? I’m not sure we should pay that kind of price. In the meantime, I’ll just chilling until the trade deadline.

What do you wanna’ bet that some teams are hot after Ryu?

Do the Dodgers really need another starter?

 

 

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  1. Boxout7July 31, 2017

    Interesting article on our new reliever, Cingrani.

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    I liked this part.

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    For Cingrani and the Reds, it’s a somewhat bittersweet separation after what began as a lightning bolt of a career beginning. As a starter back in 2013, Cingrani held the single best K/9 of any National League pitcher who threw at least 100 innings that season, ranking 2nd in all of baseball in that category behind only Yu Darvish. However, high pitch counts, the inability to throw anything other than a fastball, and persistent shoulder injuries derailed his early success, and by 2015 his days as a starter were completely over.

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    Open on www.redreporter.comhttps://www.redreporter.com/2017/7/31/16071814/cincinnati-reds-trade-tony-cingrani-los-angeles-dodgers
  2. HawkeyeDodgerJuly 31, 2017

    FAZ earned their money. I’m not sure how we can complain now. Darvish/Hand is perfect day. If Watson can return to form it’s a very good day with Cingrani as a wild card.

    There may be an unhappy pitcher or two in the dugout now but Darvish is the perfect fit for him too. A manager who speaks Japanese, Maeda in the dugout, goes from a bad pitch framer to the best, and from a bandbox to Dodger Stadium.

  3. Vegas DodgerJuly 31, 2017

    Darvish may not be a rental, as the Dodgers could sign him to a back loaded contract which would enhance their chances of signing Otani, as would keeping Maeda. Rich Hill was a rental too and wanted to return, as will Darvish once he gets acclimated to LA and it’s huge following in Japan and locally.

    Crawford, Ethier and Guerrero drop off next year, when the team tries to get out of luxury tax territory. But Ryu, McCarthy (team friendly 2019 option) Kazmir, Forsythe and AGon are in the final year of team control and several have value to be traded for cap relief. I don’t believe the posting fee counts against the cap and Otani could be back loaded as well. Imagine this rotation:

    Kershaw

    Darvish

    Otani

    Wood

    Hill

    with Maeda, Buehler, Stewart in the wings

    and Ryu, McCarthy and Kazmir as surplus pieces.

    Perhaps some could go to the pen with Stripling.

  4. Watford DodgerJuly 31, 2017

    So who goes to make room for the 3 newbies?

  5. QuasimodoJuly 31, 2017

    I think Darvish will get recharged with the team fever that’ Dodgers have. I’m certain his homeland loves this as Dodgers are their favorite.

    I also have a feeling Kershaw’s injury was by design playing possum just so he gets stressed less in the coming dog days. It’s been the same for him all season with the exception of one complete game………..Okay, my mind is going.

  6. Watford DodgerJuly 31, 2017

    How long are Cigriani & Watson under contract for?

  7. Brooklyn DodgerJuly 31, 2017

    No sooner do I post, only to look up to read that most of my questions were answered.

  8. Boxout7July 31, 2017

    Sounding to me like the FAZsters earned their paychecks!!!

  9. DINO CHAVEZJuly 31, 2017

    CALHOUN,ALEXY AND DAVIS

  10. JimboJuly 31, 2017

    Verdugo is NOT a part of the Darvish deal

  11. BlutoJuly 31, 2017

    Van Slyke sent for Cingrani.

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    RHP Angel German and INF Oneil Cruz for Watson. German had some issues, but great size and arm strength. I really loved Cruz’ size and power, but was a real projection.

  12. Mark TimmonsJuly 31, 2017

    So, Watson cost Oneil Cruz and Angel German.

    Cingrani cost SVS.

  13. Mark TimmonsJuly 31, 2017

    Darvish is a Dodger

  14. DodgerfanJuly 31, 2017

    Dodgers get Darvish

  15. Bill RussellJuly 31, 2017

    I just heard we got Darvish

  16. MJJuly 31, 2017

    Dodgers get Darvish too!!

  17. DINO CHAVEZJuly 31, 2017

    DARVISH TO DODGERS!!!!

  18. Bill RussellJuly 31, 2017

    I was hoping for Hand but I guess the price was too high

  19. Boxout7July 31, 2017

    Haven’t heard who we traded, but safe to say Buehler, Alvarez and Verdugo are still Dodgers.

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