I had already started this blog post when Whistling Ranger (welcome to LADT) posted this: “I look for the Dodgers to concentrate on roster management in the offseason. There is extreme competition for the 40-man roster. Look for them to trade older players for younger, promising players that they don’t have to protect. If they don’t, they will lose some through the rule 5 draft or have to DFA them.”
That comment is spot on. In fact, it is a huge understatement! There is likely going to be a huge roster turnover in the offseason as the following prospects must be added to the roster or risked being lost to the Rule 5 Draft: Miguel Vargas has already been added, so he is protected. The players who need to yet be protected are:
- Michael Busch
- Andy Pages
- Jonny DeLuca
- Diego Cartaya
- Jose Ramos
- Carlos Duran
I guarantee that Andrew Friedman is thinking about it… and beyond, even if we don’t care, so I am going to talk about it too. It’s very likely (barring a trade) that all six of those players are protected. The only question is Carlos Duran, who is very projectable, if very raw. Not many teams would draft him, but one of the bottom-feeders would take him in a heartbeat and stash him on their roster all season. MLB says this about him:
“Duran already stood 6-foot-7 and weighed 230 pounds as a 16-year-old when he signed for $300,000 out of the Dominican Republic in March 2018. He made his full-season debut last year and while he logged a 5.56 ERA, he also struck out 115 in 81 innings. Evaluators identified his slider as one of the best in the Minor Leagues.“
Duran has “CLOSER” written all over him, but it might be two more years! That leaves at least six players who will need to be added to the roster. They are Ryan Noda, Ryan Ward, Gus Varland, Mark Washington, Jose Adames, Guillermo Zuniga, and Hyun-il Choi (last season’s minor league pitcher of the year, who has not pitched this season), as well as a few hard-throwing pitchers at Rancho Cucamonga who aren’t throwing enough strikes to even be considered.
The Dodgers are so deep that Trayce Thompson, Phil Bickford, and Caleb Ferguson are on the fringe. I kid you not! The Dodgers have several (actually about 18) Pending Free Agents, those being: Joey Gallo, David Price, Heath Hembree, Clayton Kershaw, Craig Kimbrel, Andrew Heaney, Tyler Anderson, Yency Almonte, Tommy Kahnle, Kevin Pillar, Trea Turner, Justin Turner (Mutual $16 million option), Daniel Hudson ($6.5 million Club Option), Danny Duffy ($7 million Club Option), Hanser Alberto ($2 million Club Option), and Jimmy Nelson ($1 million Club Option). Chris Martin is arbitration eligible, and I do not think AF is inclined to roll the dice there (I could be wrong).
So before we go any farther, let’s assume that the following players are absolutely certain to be on the roster in 2023:
- Max Muncy recently signed for 2023)
- Freddie Freeman
- Gavin Lux
- Will Smith
- Austin Barnes
- Trayce Thompson
- Mookie Betts
- Miguel Vargas
- Chris Taylor
- James Outman (You have to give him a shot, don’t you?)
- Walker Buehler
- Dustin May
- Tony Gonsolin
- Brusdar Graterol
- Michael Grove
- Julio Urias
- Alex Vesia
- Blake Treinen
- Evan Phillips
- Ryan Pepiot
So, you take those twenty players who are what I would consider “locks,” and add in the six (6) who have to be protected:
- Michael Busch
- Andy Pages
- Jonny DeLuca
- Diego Cartaya
- Jose Ramos
- Carlos Duran
That takes us up to 26 players for the 40-man roster. You all know that I have loved Cody Bellinger, and it was me who predicted he would take over for A-Gon longer before anyone thought he was ready. I realize that Cody Bellinger has a world of talent, but I can no longer wait for him to come back to what he once was… IF he can ever come back. Cody Bellinger is the Dodgers Centerfielder in 2022, but I would not offer him arbitration in 2023, fully realizing that he will likely sign with the Yankees, his father’s team. I would move on from Cody.
Trayce Thompson is not the long-term answer. He can play CF, but not at the level of Cody, and he is injury prone (he’s also 32). He is really a 4th outfielder, in all likelihood. He could be the centerfielder next season (along with James Outman), but this would impact the Dodger’s OF defense. OK, this is just the start of what I am going to call the 2023 Dodger ReTool. Let’s just jump into it:
- Bellinger is gone;
- Edwin Rios is part of a trade;
- CT3 could be;
- Joey Gallo moves on;
- Justin Turner retires and becomes the Dodgers Vice-President in charge of Htting
- The Dodgers sign Trea Turner to the same deal Mookie Betts signed;
- Kevin Pillar is gone.
A lot of what happens next year depends upon what happens THIS year, but there are lots of contingencies:
- If the Dodgers win the World Series, I can see Kershaw and Justin Turner retiring. Savings: – $36 Million
- Muncy is signed as insurance at 3B
- Kimbrel is gone. – Savings $16 Mil
- David Price is absolutely gone – Savings $16 Million
- The Trevor Bauer Debacle should be over, and I think he will be reinstated. There is a whole lot more to this that we can talk about later (including how unfair this was to the Dodgers).
- CT3 could be included in a trade = $15 Mil a year.
- What to do with Trea Turner? He will cost Mookie Money. You pay him!
- Players will get raises.
- Players likely not on the roster or to be protected: Bruihl, Hembree, Kimbrel, Gallo, Martin, Price, Rios, Vivas, Leanard, Bellinger, Pillar, Kahnle, Hudson (50/50).
This is perhaps the most interesting situation in baseball, as the Dodgers have a plethora of free agents leaving the roster and a big chunk of high-profile prospects to add. Many of those prospects have overlapping roles (Michael Busch and Miguel Vargas, Jonny DeLuca, Andy Pages and Jose Ramos), but there is no shortstop and several pitchers (Miller, Stone, Sheehan, Nastrini, et al.), on the way. Jacob Amaya and Jorbit Vivas are in jeopardy of being dropped from the 40-man roster.
The Dodgers traded Beeter, McKinstry, and DeJesus simply because they had no room for them. They do not have a star SS in the system (that’s what happens when all of the SS are gone when you draft. No major league scout that I know of thinks that Gavin Lux is the answer at SS. I guess a major reason we have not seen Bobby Miller or Gavin Stone is that they do not have to be added to the roster in the off-season.
So, there will be no shortage of activity in the offseason. Leonal Valera has surpassed Jorbit Vivas and maybe Eddys Leonard as Utilityman… maybe even Amaya, who is superior defensively. The Dodgers have to sign Trea Turner (no plan B). Andrew Heaney, Tyler Anderson, Yency Almonte, Daniel Hudson, Danny Duffy, Hanser Alberto, and Jimmy Nelson are all at the top of the list as well. That’s 36 players; Then there are Kershaw and Justin Turner (if they want to return). That’s 38! Add back Bickford and Ferguson, and you are at 40, and I have not included Victor Gonzalez and Andre Jackson, let alone Justin Bruihl and some other obvious possibilities. If the Dodgers re-sign both Turners, this just might be the lineup in 2023:
- Betts RF
- T-Turner SS
- Freeman 1B
- Smith C
- Muncy 3B
- J-Turner DH
- Lux 2B
- Outman/Thompson CF
- Vargas LF
The Rotation? That’s a tale for another day… There will be lots of player turnover… that’s for certain. Damn, I hate to see Cody go… maybe someone else can “fix” him. Phil Jones happens to be available for a fee!
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Discussion (20)
Disagree, not disagreeable
Chris Taylor’s past 50 games: three homers, 77 strikeouts
Who will be the first to suggest DFA’ing him?
Kimbrel has looked good recently. Maybe he will earn that last spot on my playoff roster prediction.
Opioids are the scourge of our time. And let’s not forget how the biggest drug dealers, ultimately, were folks like the Sackler family, who paid $6 BILLION to settle the Purdue Pharma litigation.
As for the Dodgers, a very interesting post. My two cents:
–I think Cody’s fate may be determined in the next few weeks and the playoffs. If he’s a hero or zero, the decision is easy. But it will probably be something in between. (And I still think he has trade value, though the Dodgers may have to share the cost.) And if Gallo plays the hero, he could stay–in part because it would burnish AF’s reputation for resurrecting careers.
–I was hoping for Justin to perhaps age gracefully into retirement, making room for Vargas, but he’s been playing so well lately I think he’ll want one more hurrah, perhaps as the primary DH.
–Kershaw probably retires, especially if the Dodgers win the WS. It just seems like he wants to move on.
–Is Jonny DeLuca that good? I hope so.
–Bickford is out, Ferguson is very much in.
–Dodgers bring back Anderson, and maybe let Heaney move on. It’s not just the HRs but he seems fragile. Still, AF likes to stockpile arms, so maybe not.
–I do expect Trea to stay. He’ll get paid.
–Once Trea is signed, does AF entertain bids for Lux? Probably not. But Muncy, Busch and Vargas can all play 2B–and Mookie too! Lux would play SS and bat leadoff for a lot of teams. He’d be a big chip in a big deal.
There will be several interesting FAs on the market. What will AF be shopping for?
Can we please just walk Brinson?
Been a minute
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In a non-baseball note, I’m sorry to hear about your friend, Mark. Fentanyl is the epidemic we don’t really hear about, but deaths have doubled in just a few years.
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C Will Smith R
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Very interesting interview with Joe Maddon. We’ve all discussed for years how the dynamic between coaches and upper management has changed.
What is great about this interview is that it opens up a discussion from the managers side which hasn’t really taken place publicly. In large part because current managers aren’t going to bite the hand that feeds and potential managers aren’t going to risk future employment by kicking this hornets nest. But it’s a discussion that needs to happen.
We have no clue the exact dynamic between Roberts and AF and his brain trust. Maddon worked under AF in Tampa and Theo Epstein in Chicago. Both pioneers in advanced stats. And he had good things to say about the dynamic he had with both. Maddon makes it clear he isn’t against advanced stats but how they are implemented in the clubhouse and dugout. He obviously had issues with how the Angels expected their coaching staff to implement their analytic strategy. For fans, the whole thing is a black hole. Did the manager make a boneheaded move or was he instructed to do so by the 25 year old PHD from MIT before the game? We have no way of knowing.
Maddon does make a few things clear, from his perspective. Defensive analytics are solid. He says he can’t argue with where they position players verses batters. Because the sample size is so large for most players playing in MLB. But he has an issue with the lack of understanding of the human side. The individual and the “art” of playing the game. Analytics can’t tell how a player is “feeling” at any given moment. And having pitched in HS I can attest to the fact that how your pitches “feel” are a huge deal. Some days one pitch just don’t feel right, so you don’t use it the same way that day. No amount of analytics can help with that.
I will say that I don’t 100% buy Maddon’s narrative. Not entirely. This interview, in my opinion, is likely his first move to try to get back into managing. Make it clear that he isn’t some dinosaur who neither understand or appreciates analytics. Because those managers (like Scioscia) are not employable. So I think he’s trying to position himself as “not one of those guys”. That said, he makes some great points. I’ve always said todays game is a lot like poker. Yes, you have to know odds. You have to understand chip management and pot odds. But you also have to understand your playing against humans. Nobody who’s made a fortune as a pro poker player has ever done so on the back of the math alone. It doesn’t work. Not at a high level. There has to be a balance and a big part of that balance is making judgments on intangibles.
I’m curious everybody’s thoughts on this.
https://youtu.be/skgdKOoqoag
So looking at the roster I don’t think there are going to be any surprise players making the playoff roster. Here are my predictions, with only one spot that I somewhat cannot predict. Also some comments about some players.
The pitchers: I think I see 12 pitchers that are definitely going to make the playoff roster if healthy:
Kershaw
Urias
Anderson
May
Gonsolin (Currently on the IL)
Treinen
Phillips
Ferguson
Vesia
Martin
Almonte (Currently on the IL)
Graterol (Currently on the IL)
I’m currently not comfortable with Martin, but I’m getting there. Also not comfortable with Graterol (Bad career stats against LHB, better this year, but still not good). I’m also currently not comfortable with the rest of the pitchers below, for various reasons.
In the running for the last spot, and to fill any of the 3 current injured spots if needed are:
Kimbrel
Heaney
Bickford
Price (Currently on the IL)
Kahnle
Gonzalez
Duffy
Almost impossible any minor league pitching prospects make the playoff roster.
The offense: I think I see all 13 position players that are definitely going to make the playoff roster if healthy:
Thompson
Betts
Freeman
T. Turner
Smith
Lux
J. Turner
Taylor
Muncy
Bellinger
Gallo
Alberto
Barnes
I don’t care for Alberto and never have since the Dodgers signed him, but 1 bench player can’t ruin a team.
I think Friedman traded for Gallo at least for spots that come up in the playoffs where the Dodgers need an emergency home run when someone like Lux’s spot (Who doesn’t have much power) comes up (and of course to try to catch lightning in a bottle). If Gallo is used like that in the playoffs I have no problem with him.
I don’t think any minor league position players make the playoff roster unless someone on my list is injured and not available for the playoffs.
Just my guess of the playoff roster.
Not that anyone cares news:
09/05/22 Los Angeles Dodgers released SS Eddy Alvarez.
Sign Trea to the same deal Mookie signed??? I assume you are referring to annual salary and not length of contract because there is no way at 29 years old he gets a 12 year deal….or even 10 for that matter. He’s a nice player but he’s not Mookie Betts.
There is something special about this team and these guys. Even if we win it I think Kersh and JT will want to come back. They’re both still performing at a high level if healthy. JT has had a monster 2nd half and the old man still has some pop in his bat evidenced by that shot off Degrom the other night. I don’t see Heaney or Alberto back. Pepiot will get his shot next year (and I say it will be a successful one) and I’d rather have Busch or Rios as my bench piece. Gone be a wild off season and will be interesting to see what AF does.
Mark, sorry for the loss of your friend. Thank you for moving on from Bellinger. He’s “ fixed” at where he’s at. If anyone else would step up and begin to hit, Taylor, Gallo, Vargas, then I’d put them in left and Thompson in center and drop Bellinger. If not then we’re stuck with Bellinger and playoff heartbreak at the plate!
Strictly an emotional comment, just the eyeball test and dollars and cents (sense)……..Bellinger will not be tendered this offseason. In the slim chance he stays and negotiates a one-year contract perhaps something along the line of what Enrique just got from the Red Sox. $10 million for the 2023 season to rebuild his worth before he goes into FA.
Watching Mookie, FF, TT and how they load for a swing and I then wonder why Cody can’t learn from them. His straight-up stance with level bat doesn’t play well anymore. The book is well established on him and he has made zero adjustments sans the post season last year. No chance in hell he gets $17 million for one-year from AF.
Not all people age in the same way. Some bodies are more flexible than others. Do you hear the Evan Longoria comments last night? Kersh does a lot, yes and it is really a lot of pregame stretching. Have recurring back and hip problems. He is an old 34 years old. Does he is great? Of course as SandyK was.
Talking about Dodgers fans short memory, I never thought hearing the Name Bauer said in wearing Dodger Blue again ever in this millennium!
Clayton is just 8 wins shy of 200, that alone might be reason enough to come back for one more season.
He’s 236 K’s from 3000. Might be reason enough to stick around for 2 more years. Especially since he’ll be very close to 200 K’s shy of 3000 after the season is over.
His career ERA is 2.49 and climbing slightly over the last couple of seasons. Although, he has a chance to lower it this season if he pitches effectively over the last few starts.
His career WHIP is just a tick over 1. There might be motivation to lower it.
He’s 34 years old this year. I don’t think it’s out of the question to keep going through his age 36 season.
As long as he still wants to pitch, the Dodgers will still keep giving him 15-20M to do so. Each year he continues is a lifetime of earnings for each of his offspring.
He’s already make enough money to setup his kids for life. He’s working on his grandkids now.
It sure seems like if they were going to call up Stone or Miller, they would have done so already. It’s the 6th of September afterall.
Rough night, homer bug got to Heaney again. Get it out of the way now. Other than those 4 homers, he was pretty good. 😉
Another roster crunch? Yes, there will be trades this offseason. But…
JT and Clayton both might come back for one more year. Neither look like they’re ready to hand ’em up.
More pitchers are coming back this year, so there will be more DFA’s before the season is over.
Cody’s bat is making my stomach turn. I’m not sure they’re ready to move on with Outman as his replacement. Someone also needs to play LF, that’s Tryace’s spot.
I’ll give Belli a 75% chance of returning. Here’s why, no trade value! The Yankees don’t have the budget for him unless Judge walks.
It’s doubtful CT3 is traded one year into a 4 year deal.
That’s a good looking lineup though and the bullpen has a good mix of vets and guys with options next year.
Treinen has a year left
Martin is Arb 3 next year and has an option remaining
Phillips is pre-arb no options
Vesia is Pre-Arb and has options
Ferguson is Arb 3 and has options
Bickford is Pre-Arb and has an option if he doesn’t get DFA’d this season
Hudson has a club option
Duffy has a club option (May be a starter)
V-Gone is pre arb and has options
Brusdar is Arb 1 and has options
Nelson has a club option
Almonte is pre arb, but no options
Rotation is pretty set
Gonsolin, May and Urias all come back
Bauer?
Kershaw?
Duffy?
Pepiot, Miller, Stone.
Mark, nice blog today about the 40 men roster and outlook to next season.
However: If the goal is to win the WS this year and a guy like Miller or STone could be the difference in the postseason I could care less about next season. Morever I think that both pitchers will be on the roster next season anyway.
I also disagree on Ferguson. IMHO he is the best LH reliever on the roster . No way I let him go or unprotected.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andrew Heaney has four weeks to go in the season and has a 2.94 ERA. He has pitched 52 innings and allowed 43 hits with 79 strikeouts to go with a 1.08 WHIP. The league is hitting .216 against him. You guys evidently have no kids because I KNOW you threw the baby out with the bathwater.
Man, you are a fickle, tough crowd. This is baseball. There are ebbs and flows, ups and downs. His underlying stats are too good to not be able to fix this. They have 4 weeks. I think he will be fine and will be on the playoff roster… whether as a starter or a reliever.
Yes, I hate losing to the Giants too.
AND… I guess I have to remind you that even with Bellinger, Gallo, and Muncy, the Dodgers have the most explosive lineup in MLB, so there is that. They score the most runs, giveup the fewest, and have the largest differential by a mile with all of these BLACK HOLES. Someone knows what they are doing… and did I mention they have the best record in baseball.