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The Hard Way

I am not sure why, but it seems like this season the Dodgers have to do things the Hard Way. Now, that they are down 2-0 they are going to need to win 2-3 games in a row, and in typical Dodger fan fashion, the bitching and blaming has begun! You complain about Roberts taking…

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I am not sure why, but it seems like this season the Dodgers have to do things the Hard Way. Now, that they are down 2-0 they are going to need to win 2-3 games in a row, and in typical Dodger fan fashion, the bitching and blaming has begun!

  • You complain about Roberts taking Scherzer out of the game, even though it was obvious he had no fastball because you think Dave Roberts is just stupid, and wants to take out his ace for no good reason? From Max’s own mouth: “My arm was dead,” Scherzer said. “I could tell when I was warming up that it was still tired. … Usually in those situations, once you get past pitch 45, sometimes it loosens up, and you’re able to get deeper into a game. But after that third inning, it didn’t loosen up. It was still more tightening up. So I could tell that my pitch count was going to be limited.”
  • You complain that Roberts brought in Urias. Personally, I did not like the move either, but it had been discussed earlier by the staff and Urias was ready. The fact that Julio gave up two runs was on him, not Doc. Blame the right person.
  • You complain that Seager should have jumped in front of a 110 MPH line drive. I’ll just chalk that up to the fact thatyou may have never played the game and don’t realize how fast that is. I wish Seager had gotten that ball too, but you have one chance on a 110 MPH linedrive and it ain’t moving your feet! Maybe you should blame Doc: “Trea should have been at SS.” Yeah, that’s the ticket!

The problem with the Dodgers in these first two losses is that they have not hit like they are capable. In the first game, the Dodgers got 10 hits. Last night it was only 4… to go with 9 walks! Every player in the starting lineup has been an All-Star at one time or another, except for Gavin Lux. Max Scherzer is exhausted. Walker Buehler is tired. Julio is likely getting there too. The bullpen is doing their job in the playoffs. The hitters need to hit or this team is going home. It’s that simple! They are capable, but they just have to deliver. One good at-bat after another. It’s an easy solution that is hard to implement!

The Making of a Championship Bullpen

If it appears that I called people idiots for no reason yesterday, I apologize for that. What I was attempting to do was call out everyone who had called me an idiot for championing Dave Roberts, Cody Bellinger, and the Dodgers’ bullpen. I presumed that you would get the nuance of what I was doing. I only meant disrespect to three or four people… all of whom are gone… with their tails between their legs, I might add!

Doc Roberts – He really is not a “doctor” and I personally do not care for Dave Roberts, because he is just a “glad-handing politician,” but he is perfect for this team, AND frequently (just like most managers), his mistakes are simply because of a lack of execution by his players.

Cody Bellinger – I do like Cody Bellinger and thought it was very foolhardy to write him off so easily. This is a very hard game to play and Cody has played at a high level… until injury took over. At age 21, he was the ROY with 39 HR (.933 OPS). The sophomore jinx hit him the next year and he hit just 25 HR while dropping to .833 OPS (still a very good player). The next year (2019) he hit 47 HR and OPS’ed an otherworldly 1.035. However, he “slumped” to a .917 OPS in the second half, which is still SUPERSTAR STATUS. At that point, there was nothing bad that you could say about Cody Bellinger.

It is known that he has had several shoulder separations over a couple of years, and in 2020 (the Covid-19 season) he really slumped in 56 games to a .789 OPS. That’s Kike Hernandez territory. After surgery in that offseason, Cody returned this year, broke his leg, tore a hamstring, and broke a rib en route to what may be one of the worst performances in MLB History. That’s when many wanted to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Cody did not just go “Joe Charboneau” on everyone. He was injured and all of his problems can be attributed to that. Injury leads to favoring a body part and that leads to bad mechanics and patterns. All of his issues correspond to his injury and subsequent injuries. He still is not back. He is still compensating and adjusting and his power probably won’t return until next season. But, he has come to grips with who he is NOW. He has gotten some clutch hits and delivers Gold Glove Defense at either 1B or CF. Additionally, he is a huge threat when on base.

So, those who called me an IDIOT for sticking to my story about Cody Bellinger, deserve to be called “another one.” Cody is a big part of this team and will continue to be going forward. I would lock him up long-term if I were Andrew Friedman.

The Bullpen – I frequently agree with Dodgerpatch and while not totally disagreeing with what he said, I do want to address something. Patch wrote this:

I’m glad that the Dodgers bullpen is rock solid. I give the front office credit for making it happen. However, any criticisms contributors on this blog had about the bullpen midseason wasn’t because we were “idiots,” but because the evidence in front of us suggested that, indeed, the bullpen wasn’t very good.

Yes, that was what the “evidence suggested”… if you were just using your eyes. Your eyes told you that Dustin May was lost for the year. Your eyes told you that Jimmy Nelson was gone for the year. Your eyes told you that Bazooka was gone for most of the year. Your eyes told you that David Price was not right. Your eyes told you that Corey Knebel would miss three months of the season. Your eyes told you that Scott Alexander was injured all year. Your eyes told you that the Catman would miss a large portion of the year. Your eyes told you that Clayton Kershaw was out most of the year and that Trevor Bauer would not return. That also impacted the bullpen.

But I don’t always trust my “Lyin Eyes.” Frequently, I have to trust my vision… and the vision of Andrew Friedman. Alex Vesia, Justin Bruihl, Mitch White, Garrett Cleavinger, then later Phil Bickford, and Joe Kelly intrigued me. I knew Treinen was solid and felt Kenley’s issues were “mechanical.” I said that the Bullpen you were seeing at the time would not be the bullpen you see at the end of the season.

However, the bullpen was not nearly as bad as implied. The Dodger finished just a few points behind the Giants for the best bullpen ERA in baseball, in spite of not being very good all year. They were better than most of you thought. You see, contrary to what many of you thought, Andrew Friedman does know how to build a championship bullpen. What he knows is that you generally cannot “buy” a championship bullpen. He doesn’t go for the “flavor of the week” guy because he knows that next week that guy might be chopped liver.

  • Andrew Friedman got rid of Adam Kolarek who ended up being a trainreck, for Gus Varland (future reliever) and Sheldon Noisy.
  • Andrew Friedman traded Dylan Floro for Alex Vesia and should be charged with theft.
  • Andrew got Garrett Cleavinger in a three-way deal (he is a future high-leverage reliever).
  • Andrew knew that Joe Kelly would likely recover from shoulder surgery.
  • Andrew knew that Kenley Jansen’s issues were mechanical.
  • Andrew trusted White, Bruihl, Jackson, and other young arms.
  • Andrew saw something in Phil Bickford whom he acquired on waivers.
  • Andrew was not afraid to pickup Sherfy, Phillips, Vasquez and others on waivers.
  • Andrew brought the Bazooka along slowly.

Andrew Friedman built a bullpen that is full of very live, but very different arms. OK, I’ll give it to Patch, if the detractors of the Dodgers bullpen are not IDIOTS, then that must make me A GENIUS? 😉 You can’t have it both ways!

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  1. OldBear48October 18, 2021

    MLB is going to require teams to provide housing for all minor league players starting next season. Well, that will help the kids out financially for sure. Shildt is going to be interviewed by the Padres.

  2. BumsrapOctober 18, 2021

    From Dodger Nation

    With a base open and 1 out, Doc let Blake Treinen pitch to Austin Riley rather than giving him the intentional walk. Riley made them pay for that. But as Doc explained after the game, the matchups just didn’t play in their favor.

    It was a thought. The way that Blake has dominated right-handed hitters, you’ve got Joc on deck. If he was going to get him out, I was thinking of walking Joc to get Duval. But I think in that spot right there, I didn’t like the matchup with Joc.

    Yes, I still root for Joc and the Dodgers. Joc has loudly and silently been part of the first two wins. Home run off Scherzer to lift the team, throw to second to get Taylor, and backing the center fielder after he let Taylor’s blooper get past him to keep more runs from scoring. And now, we learn, Riley gets to knock in winning run because Joc was on deck.

  3. CassidyOctober 18, 2021

    Last year Roberts was a genius for pitching Urias in relief because he executed and this year he’s an idiot because Urias didn’t! Give the kid a break. He had a bad inning. Move on! I guess it’s Roberts fault hitters can’t deliver. Players win and lose games a great majority of the time. Our hitters aren’t delivering and we’re losing games because of it. End of story!

  4. package206October 18, 2021

    I always thought the front office was the Dodger problem but I was proven wrong, they have spent more money than I ever thought they would and obtained some really really good players, but I was never wrong about Roberts. He still cannot construct a lineup and he still has no idea of when to make pitching changes.

  5. Mark TimmonsOctober 18, 2021

  6. LeeSmirkOctober 18, 2021

    Off topic question: I’m trying to track down a specific Dodger game from the past, and wondered if any of you might remember it. It was a home game, maybe in the last 10-20 years, where throughout the game, Vin Scully talked through the evolution of baseball broadcasting, and the viewer was shown the game in the style of the era . So, in the first inning, the camera was black and white, set up on the side of the field. Then in the second inning, maybe it moved to behind home plate, still black and white, then eventually it moved behind the pitcher and color was introduced, etc. until the end of the game we were in the most modern and current broadcast style. Does anyone remember this broadcast and have any leads on where I can find it to show my son?

    Thanks!

    Lee Kirk

  7. DavidOctober 18, 2021

    Two close games, enough mistakes and blame to go around. Let’s flush it down the toilet and move on. Tomorrow is an opportunity for them to show what they are made of. They did it against St. Louis. They did it against SF. They did it against Atlanta last year. And they can do it again this year.

  8. HawkeyedodgerOctober 18, 2021

    The team looked spent, but still they had a zillion guys on base and just didn’t knock them in. The Braves played as long of a season as the Dodgers so they’re tired isn’t good enough for me. Tired doesn’t explain AJ Pollock’s AB’s. If Max Scherzer is tired and has a dead arm then was using him to close out the Giants game instead of Joe Kelly the best idea? I get it. It’s Max Scherzer, but Joe Kelly has been pretty damn good this year. I didn’t have a problem with it. You had to do what you had to do to move on.

    The Dodgers did not need to do that last night with Urias though. It was dumb and I don’t care what the Dave Roberts apologists think. Urias had pitched game 5 against the Giants. Everyone had been concerned about his innings all year. The Dodgers keep him at a lower pitch count than Scherzer and Buehler because of it. Most likely the Dodger are counting on Urias to be either the starter or bulk guy in two games of the series. Totally unnecessary last night in a Game 2. It was overmanaging at it’s finest. So many other options for a Game 2. The bullpen has been stellar. Use it. Now the Dodgers are doing it the hard way.

  9. OldBear48October 18, 2021

    Funny. All this talk would be a moot point if the starting pitching was at full strength. But it is not, and the bullpen has had to cover a lot of innings. Two other late season additions did not pan out. Had either been healthy and ready to go, the starting rotation would look a lot different. Hamels and Duffy not being available changed a lot. To me, it is Muncy being out that hurts more than anything else. Muncy works the count better than any other player on the team, and you can tell they are missing that 36 HR bat.

  10. OldBear48October 18, 2021

    I just watched the replay of Rosario’s hit about 6 times, including slo mo. The ball was hit very hard, and Jansen raised his hand to try and catch it, but the ball took a quick hop when it got to Corey and instead of coming up to where his glove was, it skipped under the glove and into CF. Now, had he caught the ball on the bounce he had a very good chance of throwing out Rosario. Would the Dodgers have gone on to win? The way they were leaving men on base, one never knows. Turner had just missed putting them in front in the top of the 9th. They lost his game not because Urias gave up 2 runs, and Scherzer gave up a bomb to Pederson. They lost because the offense has been stagnant since game 5 of the NLDS. 2 runs, 10 hits and they lose, 4 hits 4 runs and 9 walks? Come on, Someone here needs to hit the ball when those kinds of situations happen. Dave may have micro managed by bringing in Urias, but it was on Julio once he was in the game. Even I was surprised he was hit that hard. It would have been his normal bullpen day anyway. You do not score, you do not win. Give your team more than a 2 run lead and the chances you win that night are considerably better. Next game is a afternoon game. 2:07 Pacific time. Oh, pitchers for game 4 are listed as TBA. If they are smart, they start Gonsolin in game 4. Then line up Urias, Scherzer and Buehler for the next 3.

  11. BlutoOctober 19, 2021

    Go BoSox!

    Is that John Smoltz? He just stinks.

  12. DodgerHorseOctober 19, 2021

    Since the all-star game the offense has barely enough runs to win, in reality the team has been led by incredible pitching, the same players have said it, the offense needs to support the pitching, there are very few runs and that makes the pitchers have to have almost perfect performances, come on guys, you can do it, support those incredible pitchers with runs scored and everything will work out, if you do no one will beat the Dodgers.

  13. Singing The BlueOctober 19, 2021

    So, anybody here want to trade our position players for the Red Sox position players?

    The Sox have played 8 games so far this postseason. Only one starting pitcher managed to go 5 innings against them. None of the other 7 went more than 2.2 innings.

  14. EricOctober 19, 2021

    Scherzer said his arm was tired. It’s understandable considering how much he has been used lately to get the team where they are at.

    The game was a team loss. Everything went wrong from not hitting with runners in scoring position, the bullpen choking, Pollock’s bad throw to 2B. Souza having to play RF and not throwing out a runner at the plate.

    It’s just frustrating. Now the Dodgers have to win 4 out of 5 games. That’s going to be tough to do.

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