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The Dodgers Bullpen has pitched 36.2 innings in the playoffs this year. The Braves bullpen has pitched 23.2 innings. The Dodgers bullpen is tired. Let me remind you that many of your mocked and ridiculed me when I suggested resting the pitchers the last two weeks of the season…

By Mark Timmons7 min readJump to 178 comments

The Dodgers Bullpen has pitched 36.2 innings in the playoffs this year. The Braves bullpen has pitched 23.2 innings. The Dodgers bullpen is tired. Let me remind you that many of your mocked and ridiculed me when I suggested resting the pitchers the last two weeks of the season and concede the division to the Giants. I wanted to win the WAR, not the battle. Well, they did not do it my way and the Dodgers staff is gassed! I TOLD YOU SO!

Eric says that Doc doesn’t always pay attention to splits, and reverse splits. What do you wanna’ bet that Doc has access to about 100 times more info on splits than we will ever have? We are rank amateurs while the Dodger analytic staff makes him a professional.

About two weeks ago, Dodgers Nation wrote this:

Believe it or not, this is Julio Urias’s fifth postseason with the Dodgers. The 25-year-old was dominant during last year’s championship run as both a starter and a reliever. Urias could once again be used in a dual role in the 2021 playoffs.

No one – I mean NO ONE thought that was a bad idea at the time. In fact, Julio did not throw a bullpen session over the weekend so that he could be ready, in case he was needed. If Julio would have struck out the side, no one would have said a word, but the fact that it didn’t, enabled some people to feel that they were smarter because they could use their circular thinking to make them feel that they are actually more qualified than a major league manager, who happens to work for a guy who has what is probably the best analytics department in baseball with a thousand times more information at his fingertips than any fan.

By the way, if anyone wants to debate that, give me your point and I will give you my counter-point. I can do it all day long. There are reasons not to pitch Julio and they are reasons to pitch him… unless you are blinded by circular thinking!

If you hate your life or feel underappreciated, it is also a way to give yourself a false sense of being intelligent… more intelligent than the manager. Of course, it was circular thinking that led to that conclusion, but who cares? Well, I do. I did not like the move either, but if it had worked it was not an issue with me and if it didn’t I would be a miserable second-guesser… and yes, second-guessers are a miserable group. It was a decision that was made. That’s all it was!

The fact that any move works does not necessarily make it a smart move. Sometimes it’s just luck or chance. The same is true if a move doesn’t work. The fact that it doesn’t work does not necessarily make it a bad move. Again, chance and circumstance are involved. I may be a little different from many of you in the fact that I have to make many decisions every day. I try and get a consensus of my managers and employees, I gather all the data and analytics and try and make rational well-reasoned decisions, but on any given day, half the people think I am dumb! It comes with the territory.

Sometimes the result of that decision is not readily apparent. Sometimes it takes weeks or months for the results to be known. I make some right decisions and I make some mistakes. The same is true with Dave Roberts. Does the fact that you disagreed with his decision make it a dumb or wrong decision? It’s more likely that if you think it was dumb, that you are the dumb one. Why? Let’s deal with the instant “dumb move” – putting Julio Urias into the game in the 8th inning. I guarantee you that Dave Roberts talked to Andrew Friedman and the Front Office about it. Dave talked to Julio about it and Dave talked to his staff about it. THAT’S WHAT THEY DO. THat’s how they operate. There is no right or wrong to this move. It’s a move! Feel free to disagree, but it’s not always right or wrong. It’s subjective.

It was not a flip, off-the-wall move, but it was reasoned out by a group of people, not just Dave Roberts. The Dodgers do not do things like that. So, the fact that you think it was a dumb move is circular reasoning that has no basis in fact. It was dumb because you are mad the Dodgers lost and you think you know better because you are unhappy with your lot in life at work (home, wherever) and that causes you to want to excel at something. So you criticize the decision and your misery gains company because there are lots of miserable people like you. Maybe…

By the way, even though the Dodgers bullpen has been exposed by the number of innings pitched, their ERA is just 2.21. I know that many of you think they should have a 0.00 ERA if it wasn’t for that “stupid Roberts.” A 2.21 ERA is really, really good for that number of innings. You can’t be a dumbass and manage a bullpen to that ERA… and the bullpen WHIP is 0.79!

The real problem is the hitting… or total lack thereof. However, yesterday, most of you focused on blaming Doc. Doc does not hit… and of course, his players did not either. Among the four teams left in the playoffs, the Dodgers have the worst batting average (.215) of all the teams. They have scored the least amount of runs and are tied with Atlanta for the fewest HR’s. They have the second-best OB% of the four teams and lead all teams in Walks. They just can’t hit. You people are losing your minds about subjective pitching choices while the offense is the issue. Quit Fiddling while Rome is Burning!

Of course, some other morons will post articles or blogs saying the same thing that you are saying, and rest assured: The World is FULL of Circular-Thinking Fools! Thank you, but I have a brain and will think for myself. This lack of offense is troublesome and something will be done if the season ends prematurely. That said, these guys can still go off! Right about now, my idea of resting the pitching staff the last two weeks of the season looks pretty good. Actually, that was just my opinion. There is no right or wrong to it. People second guess and engage in circular thinking because they have been conditioned to think there are right and wrong answers to everything. Life is not like that, but the sports world and this nation is full of people who think they have the right answers and if you disagree, you are wrong. It’s black and white, up and down, left and right, red and blue, and evil and good. There is no middle ground.. and that is very foolish! I suggest we focus on reality and quit inventing strawmen.

That said, it is a free country and you can do what you want. I will silence those who are vulgar, nasty, and obnoxious, but if you want to use the circular thinking that “Everyone knows Dave Roberts is a bad manager and the fact that he put in Julio Urias proves it” Lunacy, then expect to be called out for that kind of circular BS.

People criticize others for many reasons, such as the following:

  • Because of Jealousy – When someone feels jealous of someone else, he might feel like putting him down. People might criticize others just because they are jealous of them.
  • To Feel Good About Themselves – Some people criticize others to feel good about themselves. The desire to feel better than others can motivate psychologically unbalanced people to criticize others.
  • Because They were Criticized as Children – If a person grew up in a home where he was always criticized, he will do the same to people. The voices inside that person’s head will keep repeating themselves and as a result he will spit his thoughts out in the form of criticizm.
  • Because They are Mean – Mean people criticize others with the goal of making them feel bad about themselves. Mean people know that criticism hurts and so they use it to hurt others.
  • Because They want to Show Power – Sometimes a person will criticize another person just to demonstrate his or her power.
  • Because They want to Demonstrate Their Knowledge – Some people criticize others to demonstrate their knowledge and to prove that they know more.
  • Because They want to deny Their own Flaws – Some people accuse others of things they themselves do, in order to deny their own flaws. It’s very common for a hypocrite (racist, bigot) to say that other people are hypocrites, racists or bigots. By saying so he prevents himself from ever seeing his own personal flaws.
  • Because They want to Release Hatred -When a person hates someone he might criticize him in order to release some of the hatred present towards that person.

There. I have said my piece and I guess I am guilty of criticizing the criticizers. I am sorry- it is not for the purpose of offending. It is to help you grow. I realize most of the criticizers will blow this off, but if it helps just one to see the folly, then my job is done.

Now – Let’s Roll!

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  1. OldBear48October 20, 2021

    On the Dodger website it says Urias is pitching tonight. Very quietly, Seager tied Turner for the all time lead in post season HR’s by a Dodger with 13. Bellinger’s shot was his 8th. And his fifth that tied the game or put the Dodgers ahead.

  2. OldBear48October 20, 2021

    I turned the game off in the 6th inning. I was totally frustrated and pretty pissed off. They seemed like they did not care. Bad at bats, leaving runners on base again. After watching some regular TV for a while I switched back to the game to see how bad it was, and low and behold it was tied. Taylor steals second, and Mookie scorches one in the gap and they are ahead. Now I see a really fired up bench and fan base. All that sword waving the Braves were doing earlier in the game was gone. Then Jansen comes in and absolutely blows three hitters away. WOW. What an ending. And I think that game serves as a catalyst and momentum changer for the team. The baseball gods smiled down and they responded.

  3. MattOctober 20, 2021

    UN BEE LIEVE ABLE

    Not much more I can say.

    But onto the next one. The Turner boys need to get it going and I believe they will.

    That HAS to put a jolt into the guys.

    Think Blue

  4. dodgerramOctober 20, 2021

    Man oh man, I had to get up early this morning so I could not watch the game to the end yesterday and just finishe up the last 3.5 innings. Had not much hope after witnessing how the Dodgers offense went down inning after inning after the CS homer.

    To see them come back and eventually win this game I had to pinch myself to see if I am really awake or dreaming.

    What a monumental comeback at a most critical time! And how about Cody Bellinger ? All year he swung and missed on that high cheese and now he belts it out for the tying HR! If that is not Hollywood scripted I dont know.

    Can be a huge momentum swing in this series if you come back from the dead like that.

    One thing for sure: it never ever is easy with our Dodgers. Win or lose, you better have your heart pills ready any time.

    Good to see that guys like Phillipp and Bruihl came threw for us too in pressure cooker situations. Should give DR confidence in them .

    Lets hope Julio can give us a solid 5,6 innings today before the bullpen game on Thursday. Need to tie this series up today and ride that momentum. DS will certainly be shaking to its grounds today.

    BTW, did you see that game in Boston ? RedSox brought in their game 2 starter Eovaldi in relief to get them to the bottom of the ninth and he imploded after he thought he had strike 3 to end the inning.

    Same strategy DR used with Julio in game 2 and it backfired for Boston too.

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. DodgerHorseOctober 20, 2021

    The brewers won early in September and then they dedicated themselves to just floating in the water, they lost a lot of games and they got cold, when they wanted to start the engines they could no longer, they were already cold and the season was over for them; There is a plan, a script, a script but this changes according to the circumstances, the brewers did what you wanted the Dodgers to do and they are already eliminated, while so many Dodgers are fighting for the championship.

    The pitching of the dodgers, mainly the relievers are not gassed, Buehler left early today and they did the job again, they only allowed one run, it is the pitching that has sustained this team since the all-star game, the same players They have mentioned it, and they are the ones who are going to lead us to victory if the offense supports them with some runs, they will not need many runs scored, just enough and they will take us to the championship.

  6. DodgerLoverOctober 20, 2021

    I would sit Lux, play Taylor in CF & Pollock in LF.

    Bench is Pujols, Beaty, Barnes, Lux, Caveman.

  7. DodgerLoverOctober 20, 2021

    Graterol & Treinen rested for tomorrow.

  8. DodgerLoverOctober 20, 2021

    Vesia

    Bruihl

    Bickford

    Phillips

    Who are these guys?!?!

  9. Singing The BlueOctober 20, 2021

    Buehler showed some real class and maturity. This was his quote after the game:

    “Gavin’s confident enough and talented enough to handle that kind of stuff. That inning is on me, not on him, not on the umpire.”

    You puff out your chest when you have a great outing, and you take responsibility when you have a poor outing. That’s how the good ones react to adversity. Good on you Walker!

  10. DodgerLoverOctober 20, 2021

    Carson Taylor with a HR tonight too 🙂

  11. RC DodgerOctober 20, 2021

    Great comeback.

    Overcame some bad breaks in 4th inning.

    And found a way to win.

    Don’t forget Will Smith and Pollock putting the ball in play and getting hits.

    And that HR from Bellinger was shocking but amazing!

    Fantastic win!

    Now let’s get a win tomorrow!

  12. nonicnamebumfanOctober 20, 2021

    I want to go get three or 4 pints of Häagen-Dazs but the wife won’t let me because I’ve had too many beers. Which is smart I wouldn’t want her to react in any other way but I thought she feel sorry for me and go get them herself.

    She said she won’t do it because she’ll binge herself and then she’ll blame me and we’ll get into a fight.

    So I guess it out to the back porch and burn one until I can’t stay awake any more go Dodgers , go Cody, go dodger fans and LADT

  13. norcaldodgerfanOctober 20, 2021

    JT and TT are going to have to show up at some point aren’t they? Happy for Pollock’s base hit in the 8th and can we now proudly proclaim Will Smith just might be the best catcher in MLB. Dude is a stud.

  14. CassidyOctober 20, 2021

    I’m sure it’s been talked about here but Bellinger is definitely 6 or more inches off the plate now and choking up so I guess he’s not so stubborn and not listening to coaching.

  15. DodgerLoverOctober 20, 2021

    {LADT Family Hug}

  16. VengeurOctober 20, 2021

    Talking to the grandkids:.” ….. And that, children, is how the Dodgers started an epic comeback and went on to win the World Series”

  17. HawkeyedodgerOctober 20, 2021

    Wow! What a game. I’m sure Lux is happier than anyone. I’m glad he got let off the hook. He’s been put in a tough spot.

    I think Roberts really F’d up game 2 but I will say I like the way they have run more this postseason.

  18. CassidyOctober 20, 2021

    And I’m a huge Lux fan. Kids gonna be an all star. That sun was brutal today. So happy Belli took him off the hook!

  19. porpoiseboyOctober 20, 2021

    Call the parmedics!! Gdam baseball is gonna kill me!! Holy Cow!

    Could not be happier for Belli. High, hard fb ……… BUHBYE.

    cheers

    pb+

  20. VengeurOctober 20, 2021

    Lol. When I saw those fans leaving top of the 8th , that was a sign from above Dodgers would pull it out.

  21. BadgerOctober 20, 2021

    We hit, we win.

    Never give up.

  22. CassidyOctober 20, 2021

    Bellinger and Jansen! All the doubters line up behind me!!!!!!!

  23. VengeurOctober 20, 2021

    CIRCULAR Baserunning!

  24. CassidyOctober 20, 2021

    ON A HIGH FASTBALL!!!!!!!!

  25. Daniel EstradaOctober 20, 2021

    Oh My God!!!!!!

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