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I am all for trying new things, but sometimes things don t work out as planned. For instance, Yasiel Puig is arguably the best Right Fielder in baseball and has played CF at times, but has not played it very well. From what I have seen, he does not have good instincts in CF. In my opinion, the centerfielder should be the fastest runner. Puig isn t, although he is faster than

By Mark Timmons2 min readJump to 125 comments

I am all for trying new things, but sometimes things don’t work out as planned. For instance, Yasiel Puig is arguably the best Right Fielder in baseball and has played CF at times, but has not played it very well. From what I have seen, he does not have good instincts in CF.  In my opinion, the centerfielder should be the fastest runner. Puig isn’t, although he is faster than Pederson. Chris Taylor is the fastest outfielder on the team. He has taken to the outfield like a fish in water.

I don’t know if anyone remembers, but Chris has played 2B seven games this year and I remember thinking that he looked very uncomfortable there… almost like he didn’t belong. I looked up his career record and he has played 33 games there with a .941 FIELDING PERCENTAGE! Could he learn 2B? Probably, but I am very impressed with his ability as an outfielder.

Why move a Gold Glove RF to CF and weaken 2 positions? I am not in love with Logan Forsythe but he has a .980 fielding percentage at 2B. While he has never won a GG, he is close to that caliber and the team has played well with him in the lineup.  2B is a straight platoon this year with Utley and Forsythe.  I wish Chase hit RHP better (he’s only .235), but Logan hits .303 against LHP, so at least part of the platoon works.

Where does Adrian Gonzalez play and hit?

A lot of fans are asking that question.  From what I can see, it’s likely that A-Gon’s decline has been due to injury as much (or more) than aging.  He has been battling back issues for several years.  I do not think A-Gon will be back unless he is healthy and assuming he is healthy he could very easily be the .300 clutch hitter he used to be. The Dodgers will not bring him back to be a .250 singles hitter.  So, assuming he does make it back, you also have to assume he is the 1B we used to know.

As Much as I like Cody Bellinger and his defense at 1B, the Dodgers could use A-Gon’s bat in the lineup… preferably in the #6 hole. That still leaves the #5 spot open and it has been suggested that Puig be moved there.  Again, I am all for trying it, but he has thrived in the #8 spot and his psyche is always an issue.  Little things have been to known to create issues with Yasiel.  Moving him to 5th could be a good or a bad thing…depending upon his mindset.  When you move the knucklehead, you are playing with fire… and it might backfire.

Adrian could hit #5, but I am still begging FAZ to give Henry Ramos a shot.  He deserves it. He has been an absolute beast in the minors this year and while it is the “minors,” It does give us somewhat of an idea how he can do in the Show.  Yes, they have to clear a spot, but he could be the LF and #5 hitter – no platoon required!

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  1. Rudy ByrdAugust 14, 2017

    Vegas Dodger,

    I hope you had some money on Puig yesterday at Del Mar. 2nd at 32-1.

  2. since1958August 14, 2017

    Agon can definitely help if he can hit at close to his regular ability. If he’s healthy we know what we’ll get on defense. Can’t know unless it’s tried. At least vs rights. Belli a very good outfielder. Seems like something the Dodgers are probably already brainstorming.

  3. HawkeyeDodgerAugust 14, 2017

    Maybe Ramos is this year’s Toles but his previous 7 years of minor league ball would suggest differently. Yes, I know he picked up baseball late in life. However, with the Dodgers history of babying players they would probably put him in the 8 hole not 5th.

    Let’s put Eibner on the 60-day DL and find out what Ramos has to offer. I will say some are going to be disappointed by some players who won’t be called up. We recently talked about players who might be DFA’d or moved to the 60-day DL to make room for additions to the 40 man roster. Let me remind people that putting Urias on the 60-day DL counts as major league service time so I don’t think the Dodgers want him sitting on the major league DL this year and next year and then lose him to free agency earlier.

  4. HawkeyeDodgerAugust 14, 2017

    Puig is not the same hitter he was in the past. Less anxious and isn’t pressing as much. He’s won some battles in clutch situations the second half of this season and to think he can only do that in the 8 hole is ridiculous. I hate seeing innings or games end with Puig on deck because Utley, Forsythe, Grandal, or Joc are getting more AB’s.

    If it’s not broke don’t fix it, right? Well, the 5 hole is broke. I’d rather see Forsythe drawing walks there than what Joc is doing, but I’d rather see Puig there and I find out now if he can handle it or not.

  5. Bill RussellAugust 14, 2017

    I can see management calling Bellinger and Taylor into his office for a little brain storming session. If Taylor agrees to move to CF and Bellinger agrees to move to LF and if AGon can step back into his old role of hitting while playing first base, it might be worth a try.

    CF Taylor

    SS Seager

    3B Turner

    LF Bellinger

    RF Puig

    1B AGon

    C Grandal

    2B Logan / Chase

    This would be the best option I see but would the chemistry be lost?

    That’s the million dollar question………………………

  6. since1958August 14, 2017

    Taylor should take a lot of balls in center field in the off season. Right now he looks real comfortable in left. As good a source as Rick Monday said Taylor looked very good in center when he played it earlier this year. Right now the Dodgers don’t seem comfortable with that. I’m comfortable with whatever the Dodgers think. They’ve made quite a few good calls lately. Might say I’ve ingested FAZ flavored kool aid.

  7. Mark TimmonsAugust 14, 2017

    I am only willing to have A-Gon back, if healthy and part of that could be against RH pitchers only, but you have to give him a chance, the same as you have to give Andre a chance!

  8. Vegas DodgerAugust 14, 2017

    Utley is at .235 as Mark notes, but he has been making hard contact lately and is about to get those line drives to fall in for hits or go over instead of to the warning track. I’m sure Roberts has noticed the weak swings Forsythe has had against RHP and Kike too for that matter. Both have been sitting against RHP lately.

    AGon will probably only start against RHP so Cody will move to LF to spell Taylor or Taylor moves to CF and Joc sits. Joc has started every game he has been healthy this year against RHP. It would be swapping AGon for Joc and I’m ok with that. Cody will still hit playing in LF and Taylor can handle CF. Kike probably still starts against LHP in CF along with Forsythe at 2B.

    The schedule is still so soft with 2 off days sandwiched around the last place White Sox. They go out on the road to face the second to last place Detroit Tigers then to Pittsburgh who are currently 2 games below .500. Then back home to face Milwaukee who are just 2 games over .500, then an off day before traveling to Phx for a rematch with the Snakes.

    I am rooting hard for the Cards to pass the Cubs, I think they are a much easier match up in a potential playoff series. The Nats have to be hoping that their injured players: Harper, Strasburg, Turner and Werth come back to contribute. With no Strasburg their rotation falls off a cliff after Scherzer and Gio. Old friend Howie Kendrick is raking for the Nats and just had a walk off grand slam. He would love to do some damage to the Dodgers. The Dodgers would face the winner of the wild card playoff in the 1st round, and either the Cubs, Cards or Brewers face the Nats. So should we root for the Cubs who on paper might have a better chance to beat the Nats in their series or the hot but flawed team who would be an easier match up if they knock off the Nats? I am sure the Dodgers will say they don’t care who they face but I am sure they would rather see the Nats knocked out. Greinke in a WC playoff might get the edge but only if it’s in AZ and not Coors. I would prefer to face the Rocks with their pitching but the Dodgers have proven they can beat both teams. What say you?

  9. package206August 14, 2017

    I hate to be the one to break this to you but Adrian will never, never, again produce to a .300 avg 100 RBIs, 30HRs. Cody only needs a very few breaks before the end on the season. I just say that I think it is a very bad move. Let Cody continue unless there is a good reason to remove him. Yes, you have commented many times on Agons performance. I enjoy your posts. Thanks

  10. MJAugust 14, 2017

    Mark

    I think your right about Agone, and if Agone is not right, I don’t think he will want to get in the way, but we have to see what he can do, because he would be valuable, if he can hit like he did last year, in the second half.

    I don’t think your being fair to Chase about his batting average, because he is not getting consistent at bats, and playing almost everyday, like Forsythe is.

    And I would bet that Chase has more extra base hits, then Forsythe.

    And although Chase didn’t get a hit yesterday, he hit the ball hard, and that is something that Forsythe doesn’t do to often.

    How many times has anyone seen Forsythe even hit a ball to the warning track, this year?

    I have not seen him hit much beyond a grounder up the middle, and if he has hit a extra base hit, it was probably a double down the rightfield or leftfield line, but I don’t remember him hitting many, extra base hits.

    But I do know Forsythe does much better, against lefties!

    I do think Roberts should give even our young players, a blow down the stretch.

    Corey said last year, his legs were getting tired or weak, from playing so much.

    Since these kids don’t play as many games in the minors, they don’t know how the long season, will play on their body, so I think definitely, that Cody, Corey, and Taylor, should get some rest down the stretch to keep them strong and fresh , for the post season.

    But I know Roberts will do that!

  11. norcaldodgerfanAugust 14, 2017

    AGON will be a nice LH PH piece in the playoffs and nothing more I suspect, unless he absolutely rips the cover off the ball. Once activated Doc will play him to see what he offers and if we’re a better team with him in the starting line-up, Cody goes to LF and moves CT3 to CF. If not, AGON stays on the bench and is used as a PH, veteran status and ego aside. WS or bust and I suspect AGON has privately accepted his plight and will be an excellent teammate. He wants a ring and will do anything to get LA one.

  12. BobbyAugust 14, 2017

    I have no idea which Agone we’ll see upon his return, but he deserves an opportunity to show us. I think it’d be amazing if he has his stroke to all fields working.

    Right now, Forsythe doesn’t cut it batting 5, and neither do Joc or Grandal. Puig would be ideal, but who knows if it would work. Maybe Turner Ward knows. But Agone wouldn’t need any power batting 5. He’d need to continue rallies and get clutch hits to al fields. That’s the ideal #5 hitter for us. Get those guys in!

  13. the truth hurtsAugust 14, 2017

    “I do not think A-Gon will be back unless he is healthy and assuming he is healthy he could very easily be the .300 clutch hitter he used to be. The Dodgers will not bring him back to be a .250 singles hitter. So, assuming he does make it back, you also have to assume he is the 1B we used to know.”

    This is what needs to be figured out over the next month and a half. I agree with Mark, they do not bring back the .250 singles hitter. I am OPTIMISTIC he will be the .300 guy we used to know, in that case, he has to play.

  14. Rudy ByrdAugust 14, 2017

    I can see Agon giving Cody a breather ever now and then and also playing 1st when Cody switches to LF to give Taylor a day off. But, for the most part, I see him coming off the bench so as not to disturb a good thing.

  15. Mark TimmonsAugust 14, 2017

    Why say OK, let’s put Adrian back into his old spot?

    As I said, I do not put Adrian back there unless he’s healthy and can produce (over a full season) a .300 BA, 30 HR and 100 RBI. However, if he is healthy and can put those numbers up, the answer is obvious.

    How do you integrate him back into the lineup? Slowly, let him start a couple of times and see what happens. The results will dictate where you go with this. There has been no one more vocal about A-Gon’s decline than me. I have been saying for 3 years, but if his decline is due to his back and he is now healthy, I give him a shot because there in not a team in baseball who couldn’t use that kind of bat.

    Ramos is playing CF at AAA and might be able to play in the Majors, as he has played CF just a little less than RF, but I am sure CT3 can play CF.

  16. package206August 14, 2017

    With the Dodger’s foot on the gas pedal and running stronger than they ever have in their history, I do not think it is time to make a change and move Adrian into Cody’s spot at 1st base. Sometimes that kind of change will upset the applecart. Both Cody and Chris are entrenched in their respective postions and their places in the batting order. Why say OK, let’s put Adrian back into his old spot. It is now Cody’s position to lose. It is more important to give confidence to Cody than massage Adrian’s ego. Cody is a better player than Adrian. This year is very special and I do not think the Dodgers should do anything to lose their magic.

    I have not followed Ramos closely. Can he play centerfield as I do believe that Joc is a weak link?

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