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Rumors: Tell me Lies!

We keep hearing rumors that the Dodgers are engaged in talks with the White Sox for a package of Garrett Crochet, Luis Robert, Jr., and Michael Kopech. While all of those players would l;ook nice in Dodger Blue and while I believe the Dodgers would be interested in all three…

By Mark Timmons5 min readJump to 86 comments

We keep hearing rumors that the Dodgers are engaged in talks with the White Sox for a package of Garrett Crochet, Luis Robert, Jr., and Michael Kopech. While all of those players would l;ook nice in Dodger Blue and while I believe the Dodgers would be interested in all three, let me remind you that the Dodgers usually play their cards close to the vest. Things are quiet and then WHAM, they sign Ohtani or Yamamoto or Teo or trade for Mookie… and no one saw it coming!

When you hear these kinds of rumors involving the Dodgers, it generally means that, yes, the Dodgers have kicked the tires on these players, but the White Sox are leaking this information with the intent of driving up the cost. I am not saying that the trade with the White Sox won’t happen (and I would love it if it did, although I question how much Croichet will help this year), I am saying that most generally, the Dodger Trades are kept under wraps. So, that causes me to be somewhat suspicious. It tends to remind me of this Fleetwood Mac song:

Tell me lies!

Additionally, as early as June 25th of June, the White Sox announced that they were intent on lightening his workload. “We’re going to start dwindling his workload down a little bit, and we’ll manage that correctly,” White Sox manager Pedro Grifol said. “But it’s not something we’re going to put out and say, ‘Here’s what we’re doing,’ because nothing in this game is black and white.” If the Dodgers trade for him, they will have to do the same, including pitching him out of the bullpen. Kopech is a rehabilitation project for Mark Prior and Company… they have been successful with guys like that.

Over the next 30 days, it is very likely that the Dodgers will get Clayton Kershaw, Mookie Betts, Brusdar Graterol, Walker Buehler, Max Muncy, Yoshi Yamamoto, Michael Grove, Ryan Brasier… and maybe Bobby Miller back! With their current lead and the situation in the NL West, as these players slowly matriculate back to the Show, the question becomes, “Do the Dodgers really need to gut the farm system to pick up Crochet, Robert, Jr., and Kopech?” I cannot imagine a trade such as that where the White Sox would not demand DePaula and Rushing, along with Wriobleski and Ferris. I would not do that deal.

Michael Norris nailed it yesterday:

These Dodger fans EXPECT TOO MUCH. And they have no patience. You put all the injured guys back on this roster, gets rid of Biggio and probably Kike, and this team would most likely have a 20-game lead. They really miss Mookie and the miss Max’s power. Only need then at the deadline would be a corner outfielder or a centerfielder. Wouldn’t need two starters.

— The Bear

Yes, most fans have no patience and continually fail to understand that “PROGRESS IS NOT LINEAR!” Many of you have lost faith in Lux, Outman, Vargas, and Pages. Lux is coming back from a horrific injury. Next year may be different. Miguel is learning a new position after playing the infield his whole career. As he demonstrated, he does have a very good arm for LF. In another year, his defense will have improved, too. Gurriel looked horrible in LF when he first switched, but he adapted. Outman still has a lot of promise. He just has to work on some things as well. Andy Pages arrived a year early and was slated to play all year at AAA.

It is not unusual for young players to do well at times, plateau, possibly regress, and even have to go back to the minors for a time, only to return and, in a couple of years, become an All-Star. I would not give up on Lux, Outman, Vargas, and Pages! I would give up on Biggio. Anthony Volpe of the Yankees is their SS of the future and is hitting .248 with a .672 OPS after hitting .209 with a .666 OPS last year. We know that progress is not linear… sometimes you just have to ride it out and with the dominance of pitching the past couple of years, you are going to see more and more players struggle. Some will adjust, but some won’t. I just suggest that you just don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater!

Miguel Vargas has exceptional strike zone judgment. Does he need to go back to OKC? Maybe… maybe not. I do think Outman and Lux need to, but there is no one to replace them yet. Lux, Outman, Vargas, and Pages could be traded or sent to OKC, or they could even be on this team in October. We just have to wait and watch and not rush to judgment. I have no opinion on how this all shakes out except for the fact that the Dodgers are still one of the best teams in baseball, and when they get healthier, they will be a force to be reckoned with. I just don’t think they have to gut the farm…

When you absolutely, positively need a big hit, who would you rather have in the batters box? I know who:

X-CITES

We Get Shadrack on August 11th

He is growing and we shall bring him home then.

Shadrack – 6 Weeks Old

I have a fenced backyard that is approx 70′ wide by 450′ long and I just bought four signs to mount to the four corners of the fence:

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  1. porpoiseboyJuly 21, 2024

    Kenley looked fat

  2. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 21, 2024

    An MRI on Saturday revealed Bichette’s right calf strain to be moderate, and he’ll miss multiple weeks due to the injury, Keegan Matheson of MLB.com reports.

    “Bichette strained his calf Friday for the second time this month and was placed on the 10-day injured list earlier Saturday. Further testing revealed the injury will require a multi-week absence, keeping the star shortstop sidelined into August. In his stead, Leo Jimenez should handle most of the shortstop work, though Addison Barger and Ernie Clement could mix in at the position”.

  3. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 21, 2024

    Correcting a previous report, Kershaw (shoulder) will start Thursday’s game against the Giants, Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times reports.

    “Manager Dave Roberts accidentally stated Kershaw would start Wednesday and Tyler Glasnow (back) would start Thursday, prompting the Dodgers to issue a correction. Kershaw has yet to make his 2024 debut after enduring a pair of setbacks in his recovery from an offseason shoulder surgery. Still, he’s made two rehab starts in July, allowing three runs on six hits and a walk with seven strikeouts across seven innings. He got up to 67 pitches in his last rehab appearance, so it’s expected he’ll be on some sort of pitch count”

  4. Duke Not SniderJuly 21, 2024

    A lot of positives in this 11-inning win….

    Kike was clutch. Lux had his first multi- extra base hit game since 2021. Great throw by Teo. Greater catch by Outman. And Smith finished it off….

    Nice outing for Wrobleski too.

  5. WayneJuly 21, 2024

    Playoff atmosphere, many clutch performances, character-building win for the good guys.

    Despite his recent struggles, Pages with the HUGE RBI double in the 10th that kick-started the game-saving rally to tie the game

  6. dodgerdadJuly 21, 2024

    ok kiki! i will shut up! for now

  7. dodgerdadJuly 21, 2024

    maybe honeywell is a keeper. he sure looks better than Ramirez!! his stuff looks good!

  8. dodgerdadJuly 21, 2024

    you mean to tell me gavin lux couldn’t have struck out on 3 pitches!! i’m sorry , Roberts does some dumb sh—t! a homer, a double, and Kiki swings and misses 3 straight! send kiki packing so doc ain’t tempted!

  9. M. NorrisJuly 21, 2024

    Mike Trout will begin his minor league re-hab this week. Bo Bichette will be out multiple weeks with his calf strain. What a catch by Outman.

  10. Mark TimmonsJuly 21, 2024

    James Outman just made the play of the game!

  11. dodgerdadJuly 21, 2024

    teo? sign him ! he wants to be there! What a catch James!!

  12. Mark TimmonsJuly 21, 2024

    Solid Idea!

  13. Mark TimmonsJuly 21, 2024

    I have been watching Bobby Miller at OKC and he is certainly progressing.

    So far: 3 IP, 2 H, 1 BB,. 2 K, No Runs. 96-97 on his fastball.

  14. dodgerdadJuly 21, 2024

    sorry Mark, i agree with you on most things, but this guy needs to get gone!

  15. dodgerdadJuly 21, 2024

    hug his ass as he leaves! enough is enough! Doc ! come on!! overthinking! let the guy finish the inning! ridiculous!

  16. ZekeJuly 21, 2024

    Let the kid pitch instead of going to the script.

  17. Dodger DaveJuly 21, 2024

    Looks like someone could use a hug.

  18. norcaldodgerfanJuly 21, 2024

    For the life of me I just don’t see what Doc (Dodgers) see in Yohan Ramirez. He’s played for 7 different MLB clubs. There has to be someone at AAA who is better than Ramirez . He’s a freaking waste of a roster spot.

  19. dodgerdadJuly 20, 2024

    is it just me, or does joe davis have that scary clown smile?? ooooh!

  20. dodgerdadJuly 20, 2024

    2beers? sounds more like 2 dozen!! lol

  21. Watford DodgerJuly 20, 2024

    Trout, Rengifo, Ward and Estevez for (fill in the players : prospects as required).

    Angels get out from the Ttout money and that is good because Art must know they can’t compete without a tear down and total retool, and he’s owed a lot of money.

    They also get something for Renfigo, who is only on a one year deal.

    Ward can play either corner outfield position or 3B if required. and has 2 years of control left.

    Estevez is a quality late inning reliever who is also a FA after this season.

    Yeah I know? I know, Arte ain’t gonna wanna trade with us, but if the deal is sweet enough then why not? The fans are already pissed that Shohei is wearing Dodger Blue so whether hell.

    We get two outfielders, a 3B to replace Max who I don’t think is gonna make it back this year, and an Elite late inning reliever.

    Trout is our CF and DH going forward,, and Ward fills a corner outfield position (an area of weakness) for the next 2 seasons).

    If yiu really wanna make it a blockbuster then try snd get Tyler Anderson too.

    Yeah it’s Saturday night and I’ve had a couple of beers, but you gotta think outside the box sometimes!!

  22. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 20, 2024

    Teo Hernandez stated, “I don’t want to,” he said of returning to free agency. “If I got the chance to stay here for two, three years I would like to stay. I like everything that this team, this organization, they do. For me, I’d feel really good if they come to me and offer me an extension.”

    I would definitely sign him for two or three years. Where would we be without him this year? Plus at this moment our outfield next year is horrific to say the least.

  23. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 20, 2024

    The Blue Jays placed Bichette on the 10-day injured list Saturday with a right calf strain, Keegan Matheson of MLB.com reports.

    “Bichette didn’t land on the injured list after straining his calf July 10, but after suffering the same injury just nine days later, he’ll now hit the IL in order to properly recover”.

  24. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 20, 2024

    Saturday schedule

    4:05 p.m. PT: Tulsa (Carlos Duran) at Northwest Arkansas (Andrew Hoffman)

    4:05 p.m.: Great Lakes (Jackson Ferris) at Lansing (Mitch Myers)

    5:15 p.m.: Oklahoma City (Bobby Miller) at Round Rock (Gerson Garabito)

    6:30 p.m.: Rancho Cucamonga (Luke Fox) vs. Lake Elsinore (Miguel Mendez)

    Bobby Miller will start for Triple-A Oklahoma City on Saturday night in Round Rock, Texas, in his first game in 11 days.

    Miller was optioned on July 10, one day after the worst start in his career, allowing nine runs in four innings against the Phillies. That raised his ERA to 8.07 on the season, including 19 runs allowed in 17⅓ innings in four starts since returning from missing 10 weeks with right shoulder inflammation.

    Miller first went to Camelback Ranch after getting optioned before joining Oklahoma City this weekend.

    “From what I hear, the body is moving great. Mentally, he feels in a really good spot. There’s no pitch limit, relative to what he’s done up to this point,” Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said Friday at Dodger Stadium. “I expect the velocity to tick up, and the command to be better, and I expect a better performance.”

  25. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 20, 2024

    7:15 PM ET

    Red Sox (53-43)

    Dodgers (57-41)

    SP Brayan Bello R

    10-5 5.32 ERA

    SP Justin Wrobleski L

    0-1 6.30 ERA

    Confirmed Lineup

    DH S. Ohtani L

    C Will Smith R

    1B F. Freeman L

    LF T. Hernandez R

    RF Andy Pages R

    SS Miguel Rojas R

    2B Gavin Lux L

    CF James Outman L

    3B Chris Taylor R

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