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Move On There s Nothing to See Here Folks! Well actually, there was plenty to see and most of it was bad. I think that whenever a team gives up 9 runs in the 8th inning, they have an excellent chance to lose. I was having flashbacks to the Indiana Pacers game on Thursday night where they coughed up a 25 point halftime lead. This seals the the deal for

By Mark Timmons3 min readJump to 76 comments

Move On – There’s Nothing to See Here Folks!  Well actually, there was plenty to see and most of it was bad.  I think that whenever a team gives up 9 runs in the 8th inning, they have an excellent chance to lose. I was having flashbacks to the Indiana Pacers game on Thursday night where they coughed up a 25 point halftime lead.  This seals the the deal for Paul George to opt of his contract and paves the way for a sign and trade to the LA Lakers.  All Larry Bird wants is the #3 pick and the #28 pick the Lakers own along with Brandon Ingram and another player.  But I digress…

Last Night’s Takeaways

  • Joc Pederson had a good night, going 2-4 and scoring 2 runs.  Joc obviously changed his approach leading off the game.  I would let him hit leadoff – he has a good OB% and it might get better.
  • Corey was 3-4 and drove in 3 and hit a HR (his third) and that was about it.
  • Alex Wood was not at his best, but not horrible.  They got some lucky hits, but he needs to be in the pen because he is so good in that role.
  • Chase Utley runs like a freaking Gazelle, but will he ever hit?  Yes he will – give it time.  Russ Martin is hitting .159, Granderson is at .167, Zobrist is at .188 and Machado just went from .170 to .200 last night.  If Chase is done, you will know it because he will walk away.  He’s THAT guy.  It’s just a horrible start for him – he will be fine.
  • Chris Taylor has totally remade his swing and it looks very quick – he is a totally different player than when the Dodgers traded for him. He could be a solid performer.  Kike had better watch out.
  • On the other hand, A-Gon looks old and slower.  He used to be young and slow. Is it his elbow or age… or both.  He’s also not coming off the bag to get errant throws like he used to. He is slugging .286 and is getting by on guile.  His power is gone.  Age or injury!  It’s gone.

Never mention last night’s game again!  NEVER!

Help on the Horizon

  • There are four players who can help:
    • Julio Urias, who will take Wood’s spot in the rotation next week.
    • Franklin Gutierrez, when he comes off the DL, will he play a few minor league games?  I would think so…
    • Cody Bellinger is a future star, and can play the OF or 1B.  I think he can play 1B better than A-Gon right now.  He has more range and a special glove.  He can even play CF, but I don’t think he can play it on the MLB level EVERY day… maybe on occasion.
    • Alex Verdugo has amazing hand-eye coordination – I have always compared him to Tony Gwynn (maybe) but he does have some possible character issues.  To me, that is the only thing that can hold him back.  He has been playing some CF in OKC, but he is slower than Bellinger.  Scouts say he has “fringe-average speed.”  I don’t see any way he can play CF for the Dodgers.  He does have a cannon arm and profiles as a RF.
    • With all the left-handed hitters (Seager, Grandal, Toles, Pederson, Verdugo, Calhoun and Bellinger) the Dodgers would be very left-handed.  I see Calhoun and Verdugo as the top trade prospects… maybe even Alvarez because he is at least 2 years away.  A package of Calhoun, Verdugo, Alvarez and Joc Pederson could net the Dodgers a big fish… perhaps a Trout?  That’s too much to hope for… But it is exactly what they need! I know people have thrown that name around a lot, but I would add even more to that package if White, Buehler and Bellinger… and of course Urias, were not included.
  • That would give us a totally different look:
  1. Forsythe  2B
  2. Trout  CF
  3. Seager  SS
  4. Turner  3B
  5. Bellinger  1B
  6. Grandal  C
  7. Puig RF
  8. Toles  LF

Good Balance!  This in not a time to panic.  It was one loss.  No more, no less… it was just ugly.  Actually, it was a trainwreck!

P.S. Has Andre Ethier played his last game as a Dodger?

 

 

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  1. Mark TimmonsApril 22, 2017

    I think that if the Dodgers could get 50 cents on the dollar for A-Gon, they would jump at it! They might get 30 cents on the dollar…

    The problem is this: Dodger fans love Adrian and he is a really good dude. Many think he is worth the $21 million he is being paid. Other teams wouldn’t pay him $8 million… not at this stage of his career.

  2. Vegas DodgerApril 22, 2017

    I don’t feel comfortable with Wood in the rotation, and he is too good in the pen as a long man. Urias is ready to take that spot next turn as Mark mentioned. If Hill can get healthy, toughen up his fingers, change his grip or whatever it takes we have a solid 3 and McCarthy has pitched well also. That leaves Maeda and Ryu for the last spot but they will need all 6 at some point with the health concerns. Limiting innings seems to be working itself out on it’s own.

    The wheels fell off in the 8th inning but it was a perfect storm of good at bats and bad pitching and not the end of the world. It’s difficult when the bullpen is on a tight rope night after night. Romo will be ok, and a game like this destroys the ERA of a reliever and hopefully does not damage his confidence.

    I am not in favor of giving up on AGon this early and the other options at 1B don’t inspire me. Whatever salary he has is a sunk cost so might as well get what you can out of him. He may not be 100% but at least he’s playing unlike Ethier who is another sunk cost and also Kazmir. He also can field the position and is a clubhouse and community leader. Put Ethier and Kazmir on the 60 day DL and open up some 40 man spots.

    I read an interesting article about Bellinger’s arbitration clock that if called up after May 1st would give the Dodgers another year of team control. He can only be on the roster for 172 days, similar to Kris Bryant 2 years ago. If he keeps producing at OKC he may force their hand.

    I liked Pederson up top last night and Puig could look good in the 2 hole flattering their speed. Put Seager and Turner 3 and 4 and bat Grandal and AGon 5 and 6 in some combination with 2B and LF 7 and 8 depending on the lineup that day.

    It’s a long season and the team will be fine, starting with the game today. The rotation will be good. The bullpen will be better. The bats will come alive and they will start winning series at home and on the road. The Rockies are for real and will compete if they can win on the road. I don’t think the DBacks have the pitching to hold up over a long season. The Giants are flawed, Mad Bum is out and the Dodgers need to take advantage when they play them 7 out of 10 games coming up. Of course the Giants will play their hearts out but could be buried early. The Padres are the Padres and the Dodgers seem to own them. I believe in this team, in the manager and the front office and they all deserve our support while they work through this rough patch at the start of the year.

  3. BlutoApril 22, 2017

    I think I have the solution to our LHP woes.

    The Bryce Harper stat of the day from @MarkZuckerman – 11 plate appearances vs LHP this year. Reached in 10 of them!

  4. MountainbruceApril 22, 2017

    It is past time for Bellinger to replace Gonzalez; The Dodgers know it, it is just a question of when.

  5. HawkeyeDodgerApril 22, 2017

    It was interesting to listen to Orel talk about Taylor’s new swing this year. Of course he did almost hit for the cycle in AZ last year when he first came up too. I don’t see the need to try to teach him CF. I understand why, but quite frankly I would trust Puig with CF before Taylor. New swing, new position. A lot to take on. Someone mentioned he looks like Mike Marshall and I agree. However, he was hitting about .230 at OKC. He impressed at Camelback, but I need to see more to convince me he isn’t a AAAA player. Speaking of OKC, I see Trayce is still hitting .000.

    Urias needs to be in the rotation next time. Wood back to the pen. I think Wood would be effective as a starter too, but not if he’s bouncing back and forth. They’re wasting innings in OKC if there are anymore. They let him throw 93 pitches yesterday. Time to do that in LA. I like Wood backing up Maeda and McCarthy while Stripling backs up the lefties. It’s a good way to mess up other team’s platoons. I have less confidence in Romo every time I see him.

    I’m not convinced that Cody is ready, but a combo of Braun with Cody would be better than what Agone is bringing. I like Toles. I think he’s a good ball player and I’m not advocating dumping him like some, but Braun would provide what Agone is not and more. When Bellinger is ready, is there enough from a group of Calhoun,, Thompson, Peters, Rios, Farmer, Oaks, Wood, Stripling, McCarthy, Stewart, Toles, etc to get them to take Agone as the salary dump? I tend to think not right now. Thames can play OF, but is mostly playing first. The Brewers don’t need OF players and will be after pitching. Not being able to count on Rich Hill makes it tough to move certain players. The Dodgers aren’t going to be able to dump Kazmir on anyone. So, the next worse contract at this point is Gonzalez. To simplify, can the Dodgers dump Agone for Braun without moving White, Alvarez, or Buehler and I wouldn’t want to deal Puig. He hit two missles for outs last night. He had about 4 hits taken from him by Arenado and Para this year too. I’m not saying trade all of those guys and there are certainly others not listed, but an aging Agone with a bad neck and tendinitis in his elbow could bring down this lineup for two years.

  6. Mark TimmonsApril 22, 2017

    By the way, Cody Bellinger hit .273 against LH pitching last year.

  7. Bobbie17April 22, 2017

    Oaks and Alvarez today. Buehler’s ball-strike count wasn’t great, but still pretty efficient.

  8. Boxout7April 22, 2017

    Mark: “I was having flashbacks to the Indiana Pacers game on Thursday night where they coughed up a 25 point halftime lead. This seals the the deal for Paul George to opt of his contract and paves the way for a sign and trade to the LA Lakers. All Larry Bird wants is the #3 pick and the #28 pick the Lakers own along with Brandon Ingram and another player”.

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    Yeah, never say die Larry, gets his butt kicked, then calls the Lakers hoping Magic will make it all better. Hopefully Magic told him to call the Celtics before hanging up. With all the missing posters this morning looks like some people are staring at the knife rack right now, others getting delusional like Larry. Me? All this Indiana basketball talk reminded me of this:

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    Coach Norman Dale: “I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. These 25 individuals have made a choice to work, a choice to sacrifice, to put themselves on the line 162 nights for the next 7 months, to represent you. That kind of commitment and effort deserves and demands your respect. This is your team.

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    OK, I’ll admit some of our players look like “Ollie” but let’s remember we aren’t stuck with Ollie, all season, like Coach Dale. We got choices! We got options! We got TIME!

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    Wilbur ‘Shooter’ Flatch (Ladodgertalk posters): You gotta promise me you won’t get your butt kicked in no more games!

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    Coach Norman Dale (FAZ): Scout’s honor.

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    Well, we all know how that turned out, but it all ended GREAT!! Never ever forget, it can always be worse, we could all be SF Midget fans. OK Dodgers, let’s win some for the Gipper!!

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    Open on www.chasingthefrog.comhttp://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/hoosiers.php
  9. Bobbie17April 22, 2017

    What came first, the chicken or the egg? What came first, hitters dominating starting pitchers or bullpens pitching 4-5 innings a game? My take is that hitters have been dominating starting pitchers for a while now, to the point that few can get through the lineup 3 times. It’s a hitters game. Period. That’s what MLB wants, and the fans do too, I guess. Lately, I’ve seen on TV starting pitchers that seem to be terrific early on, but when I read the box score the next day, they are out in 5 with 4+ runs given up. Hitters advantage across the board. I advocate again to raise the mound to get more of balance between starting pitching and hitting. We can’t blame steroids now (I think) for the dominant hitting. Maybe we can blame lack of steroids for starting pitching to be so bad. Or maybe hitters are still juicing with something that the pitchers aren’t. I don’t know. I just hate the present state of affairs with the weak starting pitching, Dodgers included. MLB and the union will never allow the raising of the mound. I think the umpires are calling a fair strike zone now, so it can’t be that. These guys just aren’t good enough. Add to that the 100 pitch count, and we have the type of game we can see at a local park on Saturday.

  10. Mark TimmonsApril 22, 2017

    Adrian Gonzales Exit Velocity has dropped, but his average distance has also dropped 40 feet and if you look at his launch angle and average height of his hits, you have to conclude that he is trying to just get a hit. Not a god ting for a middle-of-the-order hitter. I hope it’s just injury, but if it is, DL him!

  11. Mark TimmonsApril 22, 2017

    Verdugo article:

    Open on www.askcoachwolff.comhttp://www.askcoachwolff.com/2014/06/08/parents-v-coaches-star-hs-pitcher-dictates-coach-playing-time/

    Of course, that was a while ago and he may have overcame his father’s meddlesome ways, but his dad is still a piece of work.

    Here’s what one scout has to say about Verdugo:

    Verdugo is a sweet-swinging 20-year-old who’s already advanced as Double-A. But with subpar athleticism, he must further develop his power before he can stand out as a possible major league star.

  12. Mark TimmonsApril 22, 2017

    I would reward Joc by leading him off against the lefty!

  13. Mark TimmonsApril 22, 2017

    Obviously, I will have to see more from Taylor – we know he has a good glove – just not much Outfield experience, but I think he can grow into a decent Outfielder. I love the look of his bat and the speed, but He’s going to have to show me more. This is a tough game. When things are going good for someone, we think he’s Babe Ruth and when he is in a slump, we want to retire him. Things are seldom what they seem in the instant!

  14. Roger AskewApril 22, 2017

    As we put the train wreck of an 8th inning in the rear view mirror, I did see some positives.

    Joc looks pretty good at lead off and has deceptive speed. I am curious to see if they turn him loose stealing.

    As much as the Team Dad is struggling, he hit the ball on the nose 3 times, just right at guys. He is due. Stellar defensive grab on that line drive by the way.

    Seager is starting to warm up, which will help everybody.

    I agree with Mark, Wood in the bullpen makes us real tough. He has great 3 inning stuff.

    We take Turner’s defense for granted. The guy makes the hard plays look routine. He has worked hard for that. Love it.

    I wish they would play Toles more, he has upside, just needs more at bats. Great bottom 3rd of the line up guy.

    Until the 8th, this was a great game to watch, we battled pretty good. One inning doesnt worry me.

    Taylor is the real deal, ride that wave into shore, and yes, Kike should be worried.

  15. Watford DodgerApril 22, 2017

    It was the wrong decision to send Taylor to AAA after the spring he had.

    Bum, Trout would be the best news ever, but I’m afraid it would take more.

    Think you would have put Urias & Belinger in the mix.

  16. Rudy ByrdApril 22, 2017

    I was unaware of Verdugo’s ‘possible character issues’. Could someone please elaborate.

    Sad to see Agon nearly gone.

    Chris Taylor just won’t go away.

    Wood to the bullpen

    George to the Lakers.

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