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With the playoffs a full month and a half away (48 games), it’s a bit of a reach to try to predict what a potential playoff bullpen will look like. We’ll know a lot more once we’re closer to the finish line, but from the looks of things, September will be a tryout for October…

By Mark Timmons6 min readJump to 100 comments

With the playoffs a full month and a half away (48 games), it’s a bit of a reach to try to predict what a potential playoff bullpen will look like.  We’ll know a lot more once we’re closer to the finish line, but from the looks of things, September will be a tryout for October.  Even more so with pitchers than position players.  To make matters worse, or better, depending on how you look at it, there are currently 11 pitchers on the IL., eight on the 60-day, and three on the 15-day.  And just to add another wrinkle into the equation, the Dodgers don’t seem to be very forthcoming as it relates to injuries or as to the status of rehabs for injured players.  So, all we can do is make a few assumptions and go from there while remembering that September will be a tryout.

One more caveat.  Just because a player isn’t on the post-season roster for the first series doesn’t mean they won’t be on the roster for another series.  With so many deserving players on this team, I wouldn’t put it past “The Gang” that makes those decisions to mix and match players specifically to their opponent.

The IL Crew

Let’s start with the walking wounded and try to see which ones will really come back this year.  The obvious ones are the three pitchers that are on the 15-Day IL; Kershaw, Almonte, and Graterol.  Add in the two that are on rehab assignments, Treinen and May, and we have five pitchers returning, and 2 of them need 40-man roster spots.  I had Walker Buehler in this mix as well until it was announced that he’d have another elbow surgery and will be out for the remainder of the season.

I’m going to assume the remaining five pitchers that are on the 60-Day won’t be back this season simply because there isn’t enough room for them.  That list includes; Danny Duffy, Victor Gonzales, Tommy Kahnle, and Jimmy Nelson.  That’s a lot of big names that won’t be coming back unless there’s an injury, of course.  

What We Have Today

Right now, the active roster has a total of 13 pitchers, which will probably expand to 15 in just 15 days or so with the September roster expansion.  This is also when the 13 pitcher rule disappears and allows clubs to carry 15 pitchers on the roster if they so choose.  It looks to me that the Dodgers are pretty much set on the position player side of the house, so my next assumption is that they’ll use those two extra roster spots to carry 15 pitchers to help ease the burden on the guys that have done the heaviest lifting this season.  Namely, Anderson, Gonsolin, and Urias.  I can see a six-man rotation for September and a 9 man bullpen serving as a tryout for the first post-season series.

The rotation currently consists of Gonsolin, Urias, Anderson, Heaney, and Pepiot.

The bullpen is Kimbrel, Phillips, Bickford, Moronta, Martin from the right side, and Ferguson, Vesia, and Price from the left side.

Now, It gets Fun!

In the next couple of weeks, we’ll add Graterol and May back into the mix and possibly Almonte.  All before rosters expand.  This is easy enough to do.  We’ll need to DFA one player and send two others to the minors on optional assignments.  My guess is that Pepiot goes back down when May comes up, and Bickford and Moronta get optioned when Almonte and Graterol return.  That just leaves the one DFA to account for.  My guess is that Eddie Alvarez gets whacked at this time.

The updated rotation; Gonsolin, Urias, Anderson, Heaney, and May.

The updated bullpen; Kimbrel, Phillips, Almonte, Graterol, Martin from the right side, and Ferguson, Vesia, and Price from the left side.

Wow, this already looks so much better and almost unhittable.  Sure it’s odd to have your worst pitcher as your closer, but it sure looks like the Dodgers believe it’s better to have your best pitchers pitch in the highest leverage situations instead of saving them for the last inning.  That’s a theme that the Dodgers are prone to innovate with and will continue using their best relievers in this fashion.  Don’t get hung up on the closer role; it’s becoming more fluid. Kimbrel at least has plenty of experience pitching the ninth.

With this configuration, Martin and Price will be low leverage guys, and Graterol will be a guy they bring on to get out of an inning with runners on and perhaps take down the next inning depending on the game situation when he enters.  Price will have a similar role when it makes sense to use a lefty in a lower leverage situation or when Graterol needs a breather.  Almonte and Phillips from the right side and Ferguson and Vesia from the left side when the platoon situation dictates which hand a pitcher to pitch with to exploit a perceived platoon advantage.  This already looks like an ideal bullpen.

September Staff

I believe the Dodgers will wait until September to active the next two pitchers; Clayton Kershaw and Blake Treinen.  One DFA will need to happen in addition to a spot on the 28-man September roster.  The DFA’s are anyone’s guess, but one thing to consider is that anyone that gets DFA’s now can’t play in the postseason for the acquiring team.  Chris Martin, Reyes Moronta, and Phil Bickford all have at least one more option year remaining and at least one more year of control, as far as I can tell, so they won’t be locks to be DFA’d.   I have no idea where the DFA goes from here. One of Moronta, Reed, Bickford, and Bruihl seems likely.  I’ll say that my guess is Bruihl.

Now, the staff looks like this…

The September rotation; Gonsolin, Urias, Anderson, Kershaw, May, and Heaney

The September bullpen; Kimbrel, Treinen, Phillips, Almonte, Graterol, Martin from the right side, and Ferguson, Vesia, Price, and Heaney from the left side. 

The Post-Season Pitching Staff

We’ve finally made it to the postseason.  Now we are going to have to trim that 6-man September rotation down to 4 and the bullpen to 9 in order to get back the 13 pitchers for post-season play.  This going to have a lot to do with September performances, so this is little more than a shot in the dark after a lot of analysis and assumptions are made.  But, here goes.

In my mind, I want two lefties and two righties in the rotation.  The Dodgers have the luxury to balance it out this way, and I think it would be beneficial, so your opponent has to adjust each night.  I’m going to make another assumption here and say Post-Season experience and velocity play up in the postseason regardless of how good they performed during the season.  In an ideal world, which we all know we don’t live in, our rotation will line up like this…

The Post Season Rotation; Gonsolin, Urias, May, Kershaw.

I fully expect all of you to freak out right about now.  I’m leaving Anderson off the rotation.  My reasoning is that as good as Anderson has been, he’s slightly worse than Gonsolin, Urias, and Kershaw. May is going to be in there as the only starter that sits near triple digits.  Kershaw will be there because he’s Kershaw. Urias has a lot of post-season experience, and in the end, it’s probably more beneficial to have another righty to even things out rather than have three lefties in the rotation.  No, there’s no reason to go with a 5 man rotation in the postseason. 

The Post-Season bullpen; Kimbrel, Treinen, Phillips, Almonte, Graterol, Martin from the right side, and Ferguson, Vesia, and Heaney from the left side. 

I suppose there’s a chance that Anderson ends up in the bullpen over Martin, but he seems redundant with Heaney as lefty long men.

Before Buehler went down yesterday, I had Buehler in the pen in front of Anderson and Martin. That was a much easier decision. Now that Buehler is out for the year, Anderson has a reasonably good chance at beating out Martin. But, at the same time, Chris Martin is no slouch and has pitched big post-season innings as recently as last season with the Braves.

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  1. Mark TimmonsAugust 16, 2022

    Unless they are injured, these Pitchers are Locks for the playoffs:

    May

    Urias

    Gonsolin

    Kershaw

    Heaney

    Anderson

    Almonte

    Phillips

    Ferguson

    Treinen

    Graterol

    Price

    Vesia

    That’s 13!

    Martin, Duffy, and Pepiot are in the mix, but barring injury, they won’t make it.

  2. OldBear48August 16, 2022

    At this point, only the Dodgers have any idea what the plan is going forward. Since it looks like they will be getting a bye in the first round, they are in a position to set up their staff anyway they feel is best for a post season run. They will use a four-man rotation in the playoffs. Gonsolin, Urias and May are almost locks for that, some are assuming that Kersh will be healthy and back ready to pitch. But the back is a funny thing. He might feel great one day and be on the rack the next. Hopefully they do not have to use the opener they were forced to use because of tired arms last year. For that reason alone, Anderson is going to be on the post season roster no matter what. It is fun to guess at who is going to be where come playoff time. My guess is by the time the season ends, and we have seen how guys finish, and not how they are now, we will have a much better idea of the plan moving forward. If Kimbrel does not find it over these last games, he probably won’t be on the playoff roster. In that case, if he is healthy, I would think Treinen, and Phillips could easily handle the role. A lot depends on how well Treinen is when he returns. I never expect a player to be nails immediately when they come off of the IL.

  3. Tom1946August 16, 2022

    BP –

    Thanks for the excellent article. The one question I have is: why would you keep Heaney as a lefty in the post season bullpen over Anderson?

  4. Singing the BlueAugust 16, 2022

    Are you sure about that 15 pitcher number limit for September? I thought I read somewhere that they were limiting it to 14.

    Your reasoning about Anderson not making the post season roster makes some sense but if he continues like he has so far he’s going to be on the roster. Do a May/ Anderson tandem and save the rest of the bullpen for the other games.

  5. BlunderfullAugust 16, 2022

    Tatis Sr on the campaign trail. Baseball could’ve ‘handled this better.’??

    So he’s claiming that steroid has no crank? Is he trippin’? What am I missing here?

  6. BulldogsandPenguinsAugust 16, 2022

    Things change pretty quick. I had to spend time editing this post once it was announced that Walker would be gone for the year. Dirty trick by the Dodgers letting us think that Walker had a chance to come back. It must be really frustrating to get cut on, do rehab, only to find that you have to do it all over again.

    Even with the bad news announced right before the game, a not very sharp Julio and the gang shut out a Brewers team that’s vying for a Wild Card spot. Chris Martin, who might not make the postseason bullpen according to some, struck out 4 guys in one inning. Then David Price, who everyone wanted to cut a couple of weeks ago, closes out the ninth on 9 pitches against their 4-5-6 hitters. In case nobody noticed, that’s 10 straight games that Price failed to give up a run.

    I know it seems ridiculous that Anderson might not make the post-season staff, but every option is very good. He’s not going to make the rotation. Heaney isn’t either. How many lefties will they go with in the pen? You all realize that David Price’s era is lower than Anderson’s and his K rate is better, right? Sure, Chris Martin is easy to look at and say Anderson is better, but Chris Martin has post-season experience coming off last year’s World Series with the Braves. There are going to be tough decisions coming.

    I think it’s great that Miller and Stone got promoted. Might as well get that depth in more meaningful innings. They’re both top 100 prospects and now it’s time to deliver and get ready for some MLB action. Both would already be in the majors for other teams. However, I don’t think there’s much of a chance for either of them to get the call this season without additional injuries. As it is, Pepiot is on the roster and might get squeezed off once May and Kershaw come back. But, you never know.

    It’s gonna be weird for Pepiot to make a start without having to take a plane flight from OCK tonight. Hopefully, he’ll have better control after being more comfortable by staying with the team for over a week for once.

    Gavin Lux is an absolute stud. His power is starting to show up and he’s just about ready to turn into Corey Seager with wheels. As much as I love Trea Turner, I wouldn’t be disappointed to see Busch and Lux up the middle for our team.

  7. MattAugust 16, 2022

    Taking a look at the Postseason Schedule there is no travel day between game 5 and game 6 of the NLCS. So should it be a series of Mets Vs Dodgers I think that benefits LA as we all know Max cant go on 3 days rest…..and the entire schedule will be condensed more reminiscent of 2020….

  8. BlunderfullAugust 16, 2022

    We bagged on Kenley to no end. Kimbrel? Cricketts.

    Nice career CK.

    Committe bullpen FTW.

  9. dodgerramAugust 16, 2022

    Tough news on WB. I am still wondering why they did not examine or find the problem when he has his elbow surgery a few weeks back. I am not an expert but I would think you know whats wrong when you opened up the elbow back then.

    Sounds a little strange.

    I was hoping to have him back for postseason play, at least as a stopper in the pen .

    Well, next man up.

    If Kimbrel does not get his act together in the next few weeks I do not see him on our postseason roster. You just can not trust the guy to get key outs.

    What about Gavin Lux ? Going deep oppo vs a side arming LHP. Wow. Just leave him in the lineup vs LHP. He is doing just fine.

    Would love to see Bobby Miller starting a couple of games in September , even if it is only to rest some other arms down the stretch.

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. DavidAugust 16, 2022

    Great analysis. It makes for interesting discussion. I guess you can update once a week as players come and go. And I think we all agree that Kimbrel should be left off the postseason.

  11. norcaldodgerfanAugust 16, 2022

    Excellent analysis but I just cannot foresee a post season roster without Anderson on it. His change-up can prove big in a close game with men on base and the Dodgers in need of a double play. I also think he can be used to piggy-back a Gonsolin or Kershaw start. I agree with Mark and can see a roster that does not include Kimbrel.

    Chris Martin throws strikes and can be used in get a needed strike out in a high-leverage situation. If Treinen and Graterol are healthy and pitch like they did before injuries, Kimbrel will not sniff the post season roster.

  12. Mark TimmonsAugust 16, 2022

    A lot of what the roster looks like by playoff time depends upon pitcher health. Hopefully, no one else goes down, but it can happen. That’s why depth is so important.

    I hope I am wrong, but I think Craig Kimbrel has hit the end of the line. In 2018, in the ALDS, where pitched four innings. Kimbrel had a 11.57 ERA. The Red Sox gave him 2.1 innings.

    In the ALCS, he pitched 4 innings with a 4.50 ERA, and in the World Series he also pitched 4 innings with a 4.15 ERA.

    Last year in the ALDS he had a 9.00 ERA.

    Over 8 seasons and 10 playoff series Kimbrel has a 4.13 ERA.

    His ERA last season with the White Sox, the second half of the season, was 5.09. This year it is 4.39.

    There is a distinct pattern here, and it ain’t good. Unless Kimbrel totally turns it around, Friedman will DFA him right after the first of September, if not before.

    I have seen this movie too many times. Kimbrel is not a part of the Dodgers bullpen anymore. I would DFA him now – I don’t care if someone else picks him up. Bobby Miller and Gavin Stone moved to OKC yesterday. Give them a couple of starts and if they hold their own, try them in LA. That’s what I would do. Both throw near 100 MPH and have devastatingly filthy stuff. That plays up anywhere!

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