The last Dodger no-hitter was a combined effort by Buehler, Tony Cingrani, Yimi Garcia and Adam Liberatore against the Padres in Mexico City, Mexico on May 4, 2018. It was the first combined no hitter in team history, and it was also the first no hitter thrown outside of the United States or Canada.
In their long history, Dodger pitchers have thrown 26 no-hitters. They have been no-hit 20 times. The first one in team history was thrown by Sam Kimber on October 4, 1884. It was a 10-inning game that ended in a tie. Only 3 Dodger pitchers have thrown more than one, Koufax, 4, Erskine and Adonis Terry, 2 each. Koufax has the only perfect game. Dodger pitchers have had some close calls the last couple of years. Max Scherzer took one into the 8th inning last season. He had a perfecto going before it was broken up. Rich Hill pitched nine no-hit innings against the Pirates before giving up a walk off to Josh Harrison a few years ago. Kershaw and Anderson carried no-hit bids through the 7th this year.
Just the other day, the Yankees were no-hit in a combined effort by Astro’s pitchers. But with pitch counts and serious arm injuries so common now, pitchers will probably have less opportunities to finish what they start. I have seen a couple on TV. Kershaw’s over the Rockies, Martinez beating the Dodgers, a Nolan Ryan win over LA. They are exciting to say the least. Most of the excitement coming in the late innings as the tension builds.
In 2010, there were 6 no-hitters thrown. Two of those were thrown by Roy Halladay of the Phillies. The second one was thrown in the playoffs against the Reds. Only the second time in baseball history that a no-hitter was thrown in the post season. Most Dodger fans remember the other one. Don Larsen’s perfect game.
in 2011, there were only three. 2012, there were seven, one of them a combined effort against the Dodgers by the Mariners. They used 6 pitchers to accomplish the feat. 2013, there were 3 once again. In 2014, 5 no-noes’ were thrown, two of them by Dodgers, Kershaw and Beckett. In 2015, the number went up again to seven, with two of those being throw against the Dodgers. Mike Fiers and Jake Arrieta fired those gems.
2016, and 2017, there was only one in either year. Arrieta got his second in 16, and Edison Volquez the only one in 2017. 2018 would see three, one of them the combined effort by the Dodgers. Four in 2019. The shortened 2020 season saw two, both by pitchers for Chicago teams. In 2021, something must have clicked because the number soared and there were eight no-hitters. Cubs threw a combined one against the Dodgers at Dodger Stadium. SO far this year, there have been three. Two of those were of the combined variety, the Astros and the Mets staff’s throwing them. The other was thrown by Angel rookie, Reid Detmers.
So will the combo be the wave of the future for no-hitters? With pitch counts, one would think so. A starter needs to be extremely efficient to make it through nine innings in this era. When Scherzer flirted with the perfect game last year, his pitch count was not really at what for him would be considered a high number. Kersh was pulled from his start against the Twins simply because he was coming off of a season that ended with injurie.
We might never see another performance like that in our lifetimes. The game is changing. And the no-hitter is getting more and more rare.
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Disagree, not disagreeable
Guess there is some life in JT’s bat after all. It would be great if he becomes the old JT again. Saw the first homer, missed the second. Getting ready to head for home.
I think that was a questionable move to take out White that early in the game. The bullpen isn’t deep enough for a tight game like this. Considering Treinen and Hudson are down and Musgrove on the other side.
Nice job Mitch, but note to self. THROW YOUR CHANGEUP more if you want to be a major league starter! Your stuff isn’t good enough to be a two pitch starter. The couple of changes you threw tonight looked good and had some movement to them. We need you to be good.
Jorge, you just have to stop sugarcoating your opinions! That was one of the worst swings by Bellinger I’ve ever seen! Usually it takes JT a month to warm up, maybe because he’s older it took him 2 months this year.
I hope I’m wrong, but based on the Dodgers’ powerful shit hitting, and already in the first innings losing 1 – 0 against Musgrove…. I think this game is over!
Trending rumor;
Talks are intensifying between the #Nationals and Juan Soto regarding a second offer from the team to the star for a 13-years, $425 million extension, which will increase the initial $350 million offer by $75 million.
LAVF, great info on a topic that raises its head every once in awhile. If you recall at the 11th hour of negotiations during the last Collective Bargaining Agreement, MLB tossed in the International Draft as a kicker. Just a little ho-hum pork barrel piece that has been pursued the last 20+ years. Sandy Anderson was assigned the task by MLB. So far, like the Anti Trust Agreement no progress has been made. The big reason is the Latin Countries, the DR in particular, don’t want it. If you think the DR’s main export is sugar, or rum, or tourism? Fact is, it’s baseball players. And the academies and facilities to generated pro players. The Biscones are powerful and control the market for youth prospects who can sign at 16.5. They are more then agents for their commissions that reach 50%. They house prospects, feed them and often become surrogate parents as the kids develop to hone their skills as prospects. There are good ones and sleezy
one. It’s suspected they steroid up some kids as well. They obviously don’t want any restrictions like an International Draft.
I just laughed when MLB tossed that chip into the CBA late in the process.
It’s like the Electorial College. Every few years there is cursory attention paid to change it which goes nowhere. Just like Congress gets fired up over the Anti Trust Exemption. Since Congress should be focused on more pressing matters, the topic fades into the sunset.
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Padres (46-31)
Dodgers (46-28)
SP Mitch White R
1-1 4.25 ERA 29.2IP 30K
Confirmed Lineup
SS Trea Turner R
1B F. Freeman L
C Will Smith R
2B Max Muncy L
3B J. Turner R
CF C. Bellinger L
DH Jake Lamb L
RF Chris Taylor R
LF Gavin Lux L
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06/29/22 OF James Outman assigned to Oklahoma City Dodgers from Tulsa Drillers.
06/30/22 Los Angeles Dodgers transferred RHP Daniel Hudson from the 15-day injured list to the 60-day injured list. Torn anterior cruciate ligament.
06/30/22 Los Angeles Dodgers claimed RHP Ian Gibaut off waivers from Cleveland Guardians.
How about trading now
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TMahle. ?
We got the fifth starter and a good hitter who plays OF & 3B. We can then let Lux undisturbed at 2nd.
Senate Committee Examining MLB’s Antitrust Exemption
By Anthony Franco | June 30, 2022 at 11:01am CDT
This week, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee reached out to the non-profit group Advocates For Minor Leaguers for further information on Major League Baseball’s antitrust exemption. Evan Drellich of the Athletic and Jeff Passan of ESPN (Twitter thread) were among those to cover the development in detail.
The focus of the current inquiry is on how the antitrust exemption affects minor league player pay, the 2019-20 reduction of the number of minor league teams, and the league’s acquisition process for international amateurs. Senators from both parties released statements, which can be found in Drellich’s piece, expressing support for a reexamination of the exemption. MLB has not commented on the matter.
The exemption has been in place for a century. It dates back to a 1922 case in which the Supreme Court ruled that MLB was an intrastate affair outside the purview of the interstate commerce being regulated by federal antitrust law. In subsequent cases, the Court has acknowledged its original reasoning was overly simplistic and no longer applicable in declining to expand the exemption to other professional sports leagues. The Court has nevertheless left the onus on Congress to overturn MLB’s exemption with a new piece of legislation, which it has yet to do.
Passan and Drellich examine the implications of the antitrust exemption in greater detail. Its arguably biggest impact has been in allowing teams to fix low salaries for minor leaguers, most of whom are not part of the MLB Players Association and do not have their own union. Drellich notes that other issues like television blackouts and the process for relocating MLB franchises may also be impacted were Congress to modify or lift the exemption.
While an overhaul of the antitrust exemption could have wide-ranging effects on affiliated ball, this is hardly the first time Congresspeople have hinted at the possibility. In recent years, legislators on different sides of the political aisle have publicly expressed a desire to reconsider or revoke the exemption. Those have come in response to MLB decisions as varied as the minor league restructuring and the call to move the 2021 All-Star Game from Atlanta to Denver. To this point, Congress has not moved forward with any serious threat to the exemption; it’s possible, seemingly likely, this inquiry from the Judiciary Committee also winds up blowing over without an alteration to the existing system.
The Committee’s examination into the international amateur market comes at a time when that process may be nearing an overhaul anyhow. MLB’s desire for a draft to replace the international signing period proved a sticking point in last offseason’s collective bargaining negotiations — one which has yet to be resolved. The MLBPA refused to sign off on an international draft during the winter, and the parties agreed to extend their window for those talks. If the league and union agree on an international draft by July 25, the qualifying offer system — which serves as a drag on the market for some free agents by attaching draft pick forfeiture for signing them — would be eliminated. If the parties do not agree on an international draft, the current amateur signing process and QO will remain in place, likely to again be a key topic during the post-2026 CBA negotiations.
Meanwhile, USC and UCLA headed to the big 10??
WTF
Two things about TT resigning. Don’t see him taking deferred money or paying CA state tax. And with Lux finally delivering the goods, I see him at SS next year and maybe Busch at second. If Dodgers don’t win it this year, then I think AF goes for a competitive rebuild. A lot of vets will be gone.
Agree, and what makes Passan an authority on it anyway?
On Jeff Passan and Pitch Counts:
The two teams best known for “pitch counts” are the Dodgers and the Rays.
They are also consistently at or near the top of Team ERA each season.
Jeff Passan is known for “word counts” that sell books!
I tend to side with people who do it rather than those who just talk about it.
The possibility exists that Trea does not want to play on the West Coast. I have heard these Rumors but cannot confirm (no one can).
I have 2 predictions:
1. There is no way AF can extend him now (at anything short of 10 years – $350 Million);
2. If he keeps up this level of play, his contract will exceed Lindors.
One thing about Trea, Id like to see him produce in the post-season. Without looking up his stats I know he was awful for us last year.
I think that changes this year, but I want to see it.
Plus I dont like NC STATE, but I do like Trea.
Wouldn’t give that too much validity.
Just like I dont give too much validity to the report from Gottlieb, just the media trying to get clicks and stir things up….
Solid win last night lets keep this rolling: 11 game homestand, largest of the season coming up.
* B&P, I’ve said repeatedly that I can find no science to correlate pitch counts and arm health. That statement is supported by “The Arm” by Passan, as you mentioned. It’s a good read as we trend to less and less pitches and less and less expectations to go deeper into games.
* To that point In the booth last night, Karros and Joe were having a conversation as to how long you go with Urias. He had just had a clean 5th and started the 6th. He was at 80 pitches. They proved to have a crystal ball as Urias gave up a walk and 2 singles and was gone at 89 pitches after 5.1. There are other circumstances at play here but I think this is a “self fulling prophesy” You get what you expect.
* Trea Turner. Offer 180 million for 6 years with later opt out stuff as a starter and see how that plays. I really don’t want to lose this guy.
* As MT reminds us, progress is not always linear. Lux is a great example. From doubts this spring to how he’s doing now. I think he should just be the regular 2nd baseman. He needs to be the everyday guy with Alberto spelling him. He’s earned the job. If Muncy need a position that’s not Lux’s problem. Find a spot for Muncy at DH or 3rd with JT. Or on the DL But keep Lux at 2nd and not left field.
* An opportunity missed maybe for some fun with the Stanley Cup players at the game. If allowed, how fun would it have been to have Kirsten interview the Cuppers about Eddie Alvarez and ask if they could beat him skating? Get their take on the the guy.
* I swear on Bryant’s pop up single to right Lux busted his ass from a shift while Thompson semi jogged in, as it dropped. Joe talked through the play and the replay talking about Mark Appel. I don’t care about Mark Appel. Thompson needs to bust his ass out there while he has the opportunity.
Machado may be back for this series. I sincerely hope Graterol plugs him with a 100 MPH heater
Here’s the Minor League Report from Last Night:
1. Mike Grove was hit like Tommy Lasorda throwing BP.
2. Nobody could hit except Diego who had a HR and 2 BB.
3. Kyle Hurt pitched another 5 No-Hit Innings 1 BB – 10 K’s/ 2.21 ERA/ 40 IP, 64 K 1.06 WHIP – He’s 24 and should move to Tulsa.
4. Everyone else sucked.
AS last night’s lineup demonstrated, when several hitters execute, it really doesn’t matter who bats where. We tend to blame the batting order when in fact, it is usually the execution!
Looks like they brought Outman up to OKC
Right now we just can’t have all three of the black hole gang in the same lineup. It’s tough playing 6vs9. I want to see Lamb in the lineup against righties and would love to see Vargas in there especially while Mookie is out. Give the kid a shot!
Well, I don’t know OldBear. It’s hard to make an argument that they’re getting more rare when a whopping 7 no-no’s were thrown just last year. But, overall complete games as whole are going the way of the do-do bird. It seems that the no-no is the exception to the rule. We might not see a Dodger’s no hitter until Doc (the No-no killer) moves on. It think he’s killed more no hitters than Koufax pitched them.
My brother recently read a book titled The Arm by Jeff Passan. The big takeaway is that they haven’t found any correlation with pitch limits and arm health.
I’m not sure where it goes from here. I tend the think that trends, especially in baseball, come and go. But, no doubt, we won’t see a lot of complete games any longer. There’s just too many live bullpen arms to justify letting a pitcher finish what they started. But, with the No-no being the exception to the rule, I don’t think there will be necessarily less of that variety.
We return from a 6-3 road trip tonight, which would typically be seen as a success, if it weren’t for losing 2-3 from the Rockies. Still, it was good to get that win last night and avoid being swept. We did well against a good Braves team in a closely played series after beating down the Reds for 3 straight. It looked like the team was heating up against the Reds when we scored at least 8 runs in each game, but we slipped back into mediocrity scoring 4 runs or less in 4 of the next 5 games, finally putting up another 8 spot yesterday.
The offense is a little inconsistent. It seems that the forever struggling players just can’t seem to string a few in a row. It’s sad to see what’s become of a power packed, dynamic middle of the order in JT, Muncy and Belli. We’re just about to the half way mark having played 74 games and somehow our worst hitter is still batting 4th. That is pretty much the definition of insanity.
On the bright side, Gavin Lux is creeping closer to that elusive 300 mark. Not bad for a guy that everyone wanted gone and was a platoon player not long ago. In fact, he’s hitting 306 against lefties this year proving that sometimes platoons are a self fulfilling prophecy, especially when you’re stunting a young player’s development by sitting those lefty hitters against same side pitchers. Even worse when most of our prospects seem to hit from the left side in recent memory.
It looks like Mookie is getting close, but not close enough to do damage against the Padres. The Dodgers were hopeful that the tin man would be back for the Padres series, but he’s just beginning baseball activities, so he’s just about a week or so away and the plan is to have him DH initially after his return. That will hopefully light a fire under JT’s and Muncy’s asses.
I wonder what that will look like? Muncy at 2B, JT at 3B with Lux in LF and CT3 in right? Or will they finally give JT and Max some much needed bench time? A trip to the IL?
We’re starting to get into the meat of the season as the calendar is turning to July. The All-Star game is at Dodger stadium this year and it isn’t looking good for Will Smith. I guess he’s gonna have to wait another year as his fourth place standing at this point will most likely keep him out with d’Arnaud, Molina and Contreras all leading in votes with just one day left. But, at least we’ll be represented by Betts and soon to be former Dodger TT.
Leading up to the break, we’ll play two good teams (Padres and Cardinals) and three bad ones (Rockies, Cubs and Angels). After that, we’ll start to get some pitching reinforcements just before the trade deadline.
Exciting times ahead!
Always nice to win, but hard to be excited about beating the Rockies. Let’s see what the line-up can produce against quality Padre pitching.
I agree. Especially when you know you have JT and Cody following you it seems that an aggressive approach i what is called for. If he is in the lineup for walks, then let him bat second
So my prediction of the 4-7 and 9 hitters going 3-20 with the team leaving 11 runners LOB was slightly wrong but we won so I’m delighted. Never predicted the Dodgers would lose, but only tried to point out that the lower half of the batting order sans Lux has been horrible. My prediction wasn’t that far off as the 4-7 and 9 hitters actually went 4-19 with the entire line-up leaving 14 runners LOB. To their credit those hitters did get 3 BB’s and a scoring sac fly. Improvement indeed.
I’m going to continue to harp that Muncy has to sit. Dude is hitting .162 with an OPS of .612, that’s right .612! He’ll run into one once in awhile but he’s constantly taking pitches that are center cut and then swings at a pitch out of the zone. A #4 hitter should not have the hitting approach of walk first, hit the ball second. The Dodger braintrust should give him until the all-star break to find his groove and if he doesn’t find it, it’s time to see Busch or Vargas or even Lamb with increased playing time at 3B and/or DH.