Is Thor Finished?
Today, on Dodgers.com, Juan Toribio has a great piece on Noah Syndergaard, who sounds like he has had a fork stuck in him. Andrew Friedman has made a number of excellent acquisitions, but this is not one and you can’t win them all.I think AF is about to end the charade. Toribio…
Today, on Dodgers.com, Juan Toribio has a great piece on Noah Syndergaard, who sounds like he has had a fork stuck in him. Andrew Friedman has made a number of excellent acquisitions, but this is not one and you can’t win them all.I think AF is about to end the charade. Toribio writes this:
Thor still struggling to regain his thunder
With diminished velo, Syndergaard has seen ERA soar to 6.27 in 1st season with Dodger
–Juan Toribio
“Over the past few seasons, the Dodgers have gone into free agency keeping their options open for finding upside on the market.
In 2022, that strategy worked to perfection. Tyler Anderson had a breakout season and turned it into a three-year deal with the Angels this offseason. Andrew Heaney also had solid outings when healthy, and he signed a two-year deal with the Rangers. For Heaney, Anderson and the Dodgers, the signings turned beneficial for both sides.
This year, Los Angeles tried the same approach with Noah Syndergaard, signing him to a one-year deal worth $13 million. Syndergaard had even more success than Heaney or Anderson before injuries derailed his career.
Through 11 starts, however, the signing hasn’t produced good results. Syndergaard struggled once again in the Dodgers’ 9-3 loss to the Rays on Friday night at Tropicana Field, allowing six runs over six innings of work.
“Just not a lot of positive emotion right now when I think about pitching, in particular,” Syndergaard said. “It’s just hard going out there with the weapons you used to have kind of being taken away from you, and throwing what I’m possessing right now is not enough to successfully battle a team like that. But [I’ll] just continue to work my butt off in between starts to snap out of this.”
Syndergaard, of course, is talking about the 100 mph four-seam fastball he used to throw during his first five seasons with the Mets, a time that saw him become one of the most dominant young pitchers in the game. But as injuries piled up, Syndergaard lost the ability to throw hard; he’s now averaging about 92.4 mph. And the right-hander continues to chase his old velocity, which perhaps has been detrimental to his overall performance.
Syndergaard has tried different methods, including hypnosis, to try to get back to the pitcher he once was. Instead, Syndergaard’s 6.27 ERA is the third worst in the Majors among pitchers with at least 11 starts.
“I think everyone around here knows I’m the most determined person to get back to where I used to be,” Syndergaard said. “I just haven’t been the same since I had my setback when I was coming back from Tommy John [in March 2020]. Still working through that and just maintain positivity and come in ready to work.”
While Syndergaard “knows for a fact there’s still more in there,” the Dodgers will have to start balancing allowing him to figure things out on the fly while weighing the overall production, which has been poor so far.
At this moment, the Dodgers can’t afford to remove Syndergaard from the starting rotation because of their mounting injuries. Julio Urías (left hamstring strain) will be out for at least one more week, and Dustin May (right forearm strain) is out until after the All-Star break. Ryan Pepiot (left oblique strain) is still not throwing off a mound, ruling him out for at least two more months. Michael Grove (right groin strain) has started his rehab and is one more start away from being a potential option.
The development and production of young pitchers Bobby Miller and Gavin Stone will also determine just how long the Dodgers stick with Syndergaard in their rotation.
“I think right now where we’re at, I wouldn’t say that we have an internal option right now,” said Dodgers manager Dave Roberts. “As we kind of look out and we keep going, we have some other options down the road. But I think right now, we’ve got to continue to run him out there and expect better results.”
Those results weren’t good against the Rays, who own the best record in baseball at 38-15. Tampa Bay scored five runs through the first three innings off Syndergaard and just missed a few more homers. To Syndergaard’s credit, he did get through six innings, giving the Dodgers’ bullpen a boost for the next two games.
But at this point in the season, it might no longer be practical to continue to look for silver linings every time Syndergaard steps on the mound. Syndergaard needs to find results in order to stay in the rotation, and he knows it.
“I wouldn’t say confidence is lost long term. I think short term it is,” Syndergaard said. “But I think if I just focus on getting 1 percent better each time, I think soon we’ll be in pretty good shape.”
I think he is just praying! He has nothing left. He seldom hits 93 MPH. The Dodgers can’t continue down this path! Michael Grove is getting healthy, but I would call up Landon Knack. The Dodgers can use the roster space they get by releasing Thor. Yes, I am suggesting the Dodgers “Eat” the remainder of his contract. They obviously won’t…. at least not today, but they have a better internal option with Landon Knack, who can pitch at a much higher level. He just needs a chance.
I am also hoping that James Outman can turn it around. In the past 15 games, he is hitting.156 and he now has 65 strikeouts in 166 ABs. His leash is getting short, and unless he can turn it around, they may send him back to OKC to see if they can fix it there. He’s not reached that point… yet, but change needs to occur…
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Disagree, not disagreeable
Michael Grove’s nice outing last night at Oklahoma City: 5.2IP 5H 0R 0ER 0BB 7K 1.80ERA 77 pitches 56 strikes This was his second rehab outing.
With injuries hampering the Dodgers’ rotation, president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman said the team could “potentially” target pitching at the trade deadline, but it will still be a while before the Dodgers know a firmer recovery timeline for Julio Urias or Dustin May. “Right now with where we are, it’s gonna be a little more shell game-ish if we have more injuries. But we’re thinking through that and trying to be as prepared as we can be if that happens,” Friedman told Jack Harris of the Los Angeles Times and other reporters. May won’t be able to return until at least mid-July due to his placement on the 60-day IL, and Harris writes that May received a PRP injection as part of his treatment for a flexor pronator strain. Beyond the injuries, Noah Syndergaard’s rotation spot might also be a question mark as the righty continues to struggle.
Will Smith now has 24 walks and just 12 Ks.
That’s exceptional…. even within the small club of guys with more BBs than Ks:
Juan Soto 50/49
Rutschman 41/31
Bregman 28/22
Kwan 28/24
Jose Ramirez 24/18
Alejandro Kirk 19/18
Rendon 19/15
Dodgers have been doing the closer-by-committee thing. All considered, it seems to be working OK>
With all the injuries and other troubles, the rotation seems like a greater need.
But with trade season approaching, two big name relievers should be on the market.
Aroldis Chapman (I know, I know…) is pitching great for a Royals team going nowhere. He is certain to be dealt to a contender.
Liam Hendricks, back from cancer, could also be dealt–and, perhaps, fit into a package that could appeal to Dodger brass.
It seems that the Rays are so tough because of being so rally oriented on the base paths. Individuals creating opportunities. One can see they’ve drilled more for the running game for their primary weapon as a whole. That 3 base steal was poetry as replay showed. It was no fluke, it took science and drills with new bases and replay that made it poetry.
This team strikes out way too much. Nuff said. Stop swinging for a HR on every pitch and every count. Put the freaking ball in play..
For all the Doc criticism perhaps it’s time to give him credit for having a rag tag roster of rookies and some underperforming veterans (CT3, Thor, Thompson), a shaky SP, no specific closer, a boom or bust offense, but yet still in first place and the best NL record.
Good on you Doc, good on you!
Michael Grove on the mound tonight for Oklahoma City in his second rehab start.
Taylor/Thompson- 3 ABs- 3Ks
Prediction – With all the pitching injuries and bottom order holes plaguing this group now, it seems fated that the Dodger team assembled by August will be significantly different than the one we’ve seen so far in April & May.
I like Caleb, but is Phillips the closer or not? If he is, then let him close!!!
The top of the Dodgers order did most of the damage in this game.
Except for Vargas’ HR and Rojas’ one important hit ahead of Mookie driving him home, the bottom of this order again produced nothing offensively.
Who’s that Siri moron? Padres might hire him.
Piggybacking on previous comments. It really irritates me when the catcher is on a knee with runners on base or two strikes on the batter. Lucky for the Dodgers.
The Dodgers have had a dead zone at the bottom of the order for a few years and have trouble generating runs down there. What makes it worse is all of the strikeouts. If they get a runner on they can’t move him along with all of the strikeouts.
Way to go Miggy! Vargas sitting on a fastball and nailed it. THAT’S the aggressive mindset we’ve been waiting for!!
Big missed opportunity with neither Smith nor Martinez able to get Freeman home from 3rd with just 1 out.
4 BLAH outings out of last 5 for Kersh
Miguel Vargas with a totally pathetic at bat there with a guy on 3rd and 1 out.
Be a man and swing the bat!
JDM….””Have bat will travel”
As we were saying. Liking Muncy’s approach
Eric,
Everything you rely on is about stats.
The problem is; HUMANS PLAY THE GAMES!
I look at stats. They tell part of the story, but you also have to use your eys and context.
Every time Miguel Vargas moved up a level, he struggled and then became a .300 hitter.
This year was exacerbated by his injuries.
Even Ray Charles can see that Vargas is a hitter.
My post is in jail, not that it matters.
Dodgers will give Syndergaard more starts it appears but I am curious when Roberts says they have no internal options. Grove will be ready in a week (and was an internal option last year) and Miller and Stone would be in the starting rotation for quite a few teams right now. I know pitching 3 rookies, essentially, in your rotation is not ideal but neither is a 7.00 era. Not sure what other box Landon Knack needs to check to go to AAA but according to Brandon Gomes he is a lot closer to MLB than most think. Syndergaard still seems to be coming to grips with succeeding with reduced velocity. Got to be a tough adjustment to go from dominant stuff like he had to mediocre velocity.
Agree with Phil on Muncy. He has left so many runners on third with less than two outs in the last week or so. He has become the trapdoor for opposing pitchers. He can get scorching hot for a week or so – power wise – and be completely ineffective for three weeks. I wonder if the line up would be better with Peralta or Heyward in that spot where they make more consistent contact behind Betts Freeman Smith and Martinez. Between Muncy Taylor and Outman we have failed to make contact frequently where contact would likely score a run. Reminiscent of last year.
Outman is going through an adjustment for sure. I would think he is going to start losing some ABs to Peralta and Heyward. A trip back to AAA is not out of the question. His strike out percentage is alarming right now and shows no sign of correcting itself. Hope he regains his confidence and can make the mechanical adjustment.
De Luca is starting to hit in AAA. Maybe with another month or so of at bats in OKC and solid results he could be a potential replacement for Thompson.
A 4-6 road trip given the injuries to May and Urias, two rookies starting in Atlanta, a taxed bullpen, short starts, and the level of competition would be okay.
Outman 2 week slump that started May 12th.
Game log link.
Open on www.baseball-reference.comhttps://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=outmaja01&t=b&year=2023Vargas 11 day slump May 3-14.
Game log link.
Open on www.baseball-reference.comhttps://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=vargami01&t=b&year=2023Did anyone say anything about Vargas slump?
Muncy sticks to that approach because when he’s “on” he’s one of the best hitters in the game. When he’s “off”, he’s a abysmal. April Muncy would have likely driven in 4 runs yesterday. I think this is close to the same Muncy as last year. One of the most “feast or famine” players in the game.
If Mook, Freddie and Smith hadn’t stepped up, the last couple weeks would have been really really bad. Given Muncy and Outmans slump (and all the pitching injuries) we’re probably lucky we’ve played .500 baseball in that period.
I agree with everybody on Thor. We’re way better off giving Knack (or almost any other of our prospects) a shot. They literally can’t be worse. But I doubt the Dodgers make that move now. I predict Thor gets two or three more starts (regardless if he improves). It’s just not like AF to fill the rotation with rookies. Even when it’s a better option. I think it’s more likely they find some FA pitcher on the junk heap and hope Prior has some of that pixie dust left. I think this might be the trade deadline where AF does what he rarely does; packages up a bunch of young arms and trade chips to land a SP, even a rental.
The next couple weeks might be difficult to watch. But I suspect they’ll find a way to get back to winning. They always do.