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Get Used to Seeing Joc at 1B

Some Dodger fans are up in arms that the Dodgers have moved Joc Pederson to 1B in the middle of the season, of all things! He has had flashes of good, but mostly he looks like he has never played there before (he hasn t). The early results have not been great. The Dodgers knew that and were/are prepared to ride through the storm. It makes sense to me for several

By Mark Timmons8 min readJump to 66 comments

Some Dodger fans are up in arms that the Dodgers have moved Joc Pederson to 1B… in the middle of the season, of all things! He has had flashes of good, but mostly he looks like he has never played there before (he hasn’t). The early results have not been great. The Dodgers knew that and were/are prepared to ride through the storm. It makes sense to me for several reasons:

  1. David Freese’s leg injury may take longer to heal than expected;
  2. With Joc platooning at 1B and Corey Seager and AJ Pollock returning, it allows the Dodgers to get Joc’s bat in the lineup against LHP and keep Muncy at one position (2B) where I believe he will be solid;
  3. It allows the Dodgers to field what may arguably be the best defensive outfield in baseball;
  4. It allows AJ Pollock to be an everyday player, which was why he was brought in; and
  5. You have to find a way to play players who have OPS of near .900 and above.

Now, I have already said that I am not a big Pollock fan and that I would leave Verdugo in CF, but Friedman, Roberts and the coaches know a heck of a lot more than I do, so I will defer to what they do. That’s exactly why I think the Joc Pederson to 1B move will work. The good news is that Joc wants to play there and has been working at 1B for a few weeks, however lately, he is taking hundreds of reps there. Practice is different from “game speed” so the ramp-up will be slow. There will be some pain, like yesterday (no pain, no gain), but the Dodgers have that luxury.

I suggested yesterday that we could evaluate the move after 30 games to which someone said we don’t have 30 games. They are right: we’ve probably got 45 or 50 games! The key words are “Don’t Panic!” Joc will get better every game incrementally. Yesterday was just “one of those games.” Not very many played well. It happens a few times a year.

The Dodgers infield was recently rated the Best in Defensive Infield in Baseball. Of course, that was with Corey Seager at SS, Kike Hernandez, and CT3 at 2B and Max Muncy at 1B. I happen to believe that Max Muncy can be a pretty good second-baseman… IF YOU JUST LET HIM PLAY THERE. Max is not a “super-utility guy.” He is solid and will work at getting better wherever you leave him. His bat plays well at 2B. Give him the stability of knowing where he will play every day and he might shock you as to how well he might do.

Joc is the “work in progress” and he drives some fans crazy, because as Rudy Byrd said: “Joc is a one-dimensional player. He can’t hit for average, he can’t run, he can’t throw, and he can’t catch. Plus, his baseball mentality is minimal, at best.” Probably all true… to an extent which may mean that 1B is his best position. David Freese is an average defender at 1B and I hope Joc can rise to that. However, he has the “want to” mentality that can result in some very good things happening… on both sides of the ball.

I don’t know how long the Joc Movement will last, but warts and all, the dude puts up close to .900 OPS. His struggles have been monumental, but his career OPS is .805. He should only play against RHP and Kike should play 1B until Mr. Freese returns. I am a progressive, outta-the-box thinker, so this stuff is right up my alley. That’s what I love about Andrew Friedman… and it’s what some of you hate. Many people hate change. I embrace it. The running joke at US Water Systems is “Don’t worry about it – it will change.” Change is life and growth. Getting stuck is death and dying. We shall see what happens.

The Bullpen Progress

  • If you look at the box score, you might think that Gonsolin and Ferguson need to pack their bags for OKC. In my opinion, just the opposite is true: both are very close to the execution of their pitches. Patience Grasshoppers. Gonsolin is going to be very useful. He is an MLB pitcher and so is Caleb Ferguson.
  • The Dodgers are still #11 in bullpen ERA at 4.09, right behind the “awesome, legendary” Yankee Bullpen (4.01 ERA). Before the season, just about everyone picked the Yankees to have the #1 bullpen. They had Chapman, Green, and Betances and added Britton and Ottavino and still have a 4.01 bullpen ERA.
  • The Red Sox whose World Series bullpen was ranked #17 last year in ERA were roundly criticized for letting Kimbrel and Kelly walk and essentially standing pat (they signed Eovaldi to be a starter, but he has been injured most of the season), have the #8 ERA in baseball as a result. You just never know with bullpens.
  • Stop with the trade talk for Brad Hand already! It ain’t happening. The Indians are #1 in bullpen ERA, thanks to Hand, Tyler Clippard and a bung of “guys.” They didn’t go out and spend what the Yankees did. They grew their own. Kluber is due back, the team is starting to hit and they will likely be “buyers” at the trade deadline.
  • Yimi Garcia has his ERA down to 3.90 and if you look at his WHIP (0.80) there is a lot to be optimistic about him). In his last 7 games, he has a 1.23 ERA with an otherworldly 0.14 WHIP. He is suddenly relevant again.
  • In his last 15 games, Joe Kelly has a 3.77 ERA and in the past 7 games, it is 1.13 with a 1.00 WHIP. He also is gaining relevance, to say nothing of confidence.
  • Pedro Baez has a 2.57 ERA in his last 15 games and a 1.29 ERA in his last 7 games with a 0.86 WHIP.
  • Kenley Jansen has stumbled (a little) in his last 7 games, but overall, in his last 15 games, he has a 1.76 ERA with a 0.85 WHIP.
  • Those 4 bullpen arms, I just mentioned above are solid ones, in my opinion. Ferguson will come around – he’s close. I wonder when Hill comes back if he won’t go to the pen (voluntarily) to reduce stress on his arm? Floro has been a trainwreck the last 15 games after being outstanding before that, Will the “real” Dylan Floro stand up, please?
  • Sometime in mid-to-late July, Julio Urias will return to the rotation. You can bet on it. They are only using him in relief right now to limit his innings. He is part of their playoff rotation, which will be Kershaw, Buehler, Ryu, and Urias.
  • The Dodgers won’t trade Rich Hill – he’s part of their heart and soul, but Ross Stripling and/or Kenta Maeda could be trade candidates. Ross really is best suited to starting, but he won’t start with the Dodgers. Maeda wants to start too, so if Tony Gonsolin shows he is ready, which will take a few more starts, then both Ross and Kenta could be trade bait. Two starters could yield a few solid pieces, including a lockdown reliever.
  • There are still too many teams on the “cusp” of making the playoffs, that I do not see a trade being made until late July. Just my opinion.
  • This bullpen is not far from being much better… internally. Add in some external options and they might become elite.

Minor League Report

The OKC Dodgers were beaten 3-1 by the New Orleans Baby Cakes. How embarrassing is it to be beaten by a baby? Logan Bawcom pitched well enough to win, giving up 2 runs in 6 innings pitched (both on HR). Jake Peter hit his 5th HR for the Dodgers only score. Lewis Brinson hit one of the HR’s – He’s the Marlins Top Prospect (.953 OPS).

Tulsa did not play and as Gavin Lux and Dustin are headed to OKC.

The Rancho Cucamonga Quakes were smoked 5 to Zip, as they only managed 4 hits. Move along folks, there’s nothing to see here.

The Great Lakes Loons game with Bowling Green was suspended tied 2-2 in the 5th inning. No need to report what happened until it’s over.

The Ogden Raptors topped the Rocky Mountain Vibes 12-5 as the Wulff was at the door… well actually the plate. Brandon Wulff hit a Grand Slam for the Raptors, while Jordan Yurchak was 2-3 with 3 BB. He is OPS’ing 1.263. Wulff is OPS’ing 1.400. 18-year-old Andy Pages was 4-6 with 2 HR and 4 runs scored.

The AZL Dodgers Mota beat the AZL Athletics 20-5 as they scored 11 runs in the 5th inning. Gold Diego Cartaya had back-to-back two-hit games and is off to a fast start and hitting .375 through four games in the Rookie-level AZL. The 17-year-old makes hard contact and has a good feel for the bat, especially for a player yet to turn 18. He could make Kaybear expendable, but the Dodgers would have to get a “haul.” Rehabbing Omar Estevez played SS and had two hits as did just about everyone else (23 total hits for the Motas).

The DSL Shoemakers beat the DSL Cubs 5-3 as Luis Izturis had a HR and went 3-5. Brayan Rodriguez was 2-5 as Carlos Duran went 5 innings allowing 2 unearned runs and striking out 5.

The DSL Bautistas beat the DSL Rays 9-8. Going into the bottom of the 9th inning, they were behind 8-2 and scored 7 runs in the bottom of the 9th to win it in walk-off fashion. 18-year-old Axel Acevedo pitched the final 3 innings, allowing no hits to get the win, his 3rd! They did it with just 5 hits in the game to go with 7 walks and 3 errors on the Rays. There were no HR’s in the 9th.

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  1. peterjJune 27, 2019

    DodgerMom – Bum, sbuffalo and others have presented a solid case against the “experiment”… It’s as MT would say Felony Stupid…

    One morning I hope to wake up to Belli at first while reading the boxscore realizing it was all just a bad dream…

    But alas, as I’ve said before, I have no control over the situation…

    Lets at least split in Co. and get on home…

  2. DodgerBlueMomJune 27, 2019

    If Joc does not hit lefties, do you put Keekay at first against lefties and not Beaty who is a decent First Baseman? And he hits better than Hernandez. Just an observation.

  3. sbuffaloJune 27, 2019

    Joc Pederson flat out can’t play first base. Two errors yesterday, pop-ups are an adventure. He’s been shaky on a lot of ground balls. Yah, he has big time power and pretty much can take anybody deep, but the reality is that you’re weakening your defense at a position that handles more balls than any other. It’s obvious he lacks confidence at first. Just because you’re up by 12 games doesn’t mean you start doing a lot of stupid things. When Seager and Pollock return, it would make more sense to slide Muncy back to first, Taylor to second. Or Bellinger to first, Verdugo to right with Taylor and Pederson sharing left. Plus Freeze will be back at some point. For Joc to get playing time, if Bellinger remains in right, he needs to outhit Verdugo, which is unlikely to happen. Maybe it’s time to package Pederson in a trade.

  4. rudybyrdJune 27, 2019

    Edwin Rios recalled.

  5. DodgerBlueMomJune 27, 2019

    As Bumsrap talked about the glove Joc is using at first base, I assume that the first base glove is bigger and maybe wider? It may be that getting to pick up a ground ball and pop up and hold on to it needs some practice. I think and hope Joc will get better.

  6. TherealtenJune 27, 2019

    Mark did you say get jocks bat in the lineup vs. lefthanders? That has to be a typo or maybe I read it wrong. This reminds of doc or whoever deciding to take the foot off the pedal in September and losing 11 straight. For me, it’s just the attitude that we will just experiment during the major league season. It just seems like an arrogant attitude. Joc is an all or nothing hitter. It might be time to see what his trade value is.

  7. BumsrapJune 27, 2019

    In regards to Mark’s comments about thinking outside the box and receptiveness to change, newer research that includes brain maps, gene pool analysis, and unconscious attitudes shows the following generalizations that describe the two groups people fall:

    Group 1 includes people who prefer a simple vision of good and evil, are cognitively inflexible, are fond of hierarchy, are inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death, and are unaware of their unconscious fears.

    Group 2 includes people who are more open to reason and nuance and complex policy.

  8. norcaldodgerfanJune 27, 2019

    MT the eternal optimist. Let’s see if you still have that optimism when Joc’s 1B experiment directly results in a loss or two. A dropped pop-up, the inability to pick a ball out of the dirt, a dropped perfectly good throw from the SS. Lousy footwork, the inability to react quickly to a ball hit sharply right or left of him are all on full display.

    Is this a short term plan to deal with the loss of Freese to the IL, to keep Muncy’s bat in the game while making up for the offensive deficiency that is Keekay right now?……….Yes! is it a viable longterm plan?…………I don’t think so!

  9. 59inarowJune 27, 2019

    -49 is an ugly number. That’s Joc’s DRS projected over a year at first base.

    8 is his projected DRS in Left Field

    Let’s move on to Cody

    42 in RF

    17 at 1B

    Let’s do some math

    Joc in LF 8 + Cody at 1B 17 = 25

    Joc at 1B -49 + Cody in RF 42 = -7

    Seems to me that we are better off with Joc in LF and Cody at 1B

    The shoulder – He can’t possibly play 1B anymore because he might injure his shoulder diving for a ball?

    Knee Tendinitis – Running in the outfield is less strenuous on the knee than playing 1B?

    Sure, with a 12 game lead you can afford to experiment? Or, you can field the best lineup and crush your competition.

    Sure, Joc is going to get better at 1B in time. But, is he really going to be good enough to play there in the post-season?

    Sure, Belly looks like a great defensive RF right now, but are his numbers inflated because people are testing his arm and losing?

    The eye test. Belli is an awesome first baseman. He does everything well over there. And he should, he’s a great athlete and he’s played 1B his entire career. Joc is horrible in the early going. You see Freese move from 3rd to 1st, Kike play 1B, Muncy 1B and none of them came up as a 1B and all of them look acceptable. Joc looks horrible and I haven’t even seen him have to dig one out yet.

    This experiment is worse than the Democratic Presidential Debates!

    Put Belli back at first base or trade Joc! Sadly, I’d rather have Kike / CT3 at 2B than Joc at 1B.

  10. Bill RussellJune 27, 2019

    Tony Gonsolin looks like Frank Zappa with a better fastball. We may want to think about trying him at 1B because he can rake. To me it looked like Dave Roberts and the Dodger front office had no desire in winning the series in Arizona. We would have gotten swept but we stumbled onto a win in game 2 with a Joe Torre Sunday lineup. I hope we are able to beat the Rockies or at least split the series. I was just getting used to winning all the time and don’t take kindly to giving away games. Just my morning rant…………….

  11. dodgerrickJune 27, 2019

    i watched a Dodgers/Giants game on a Nor Cal station recently. Duane Kuiper, a gold glove caliber 2B in his day, commented that Muncy was unable to turn a pivot because he’s not a 2B. He doesn’t look like a 2B to me either. Kike plays top defense there – Muncy plays 2B like a guy who can hit and needs to find a place to play.

    Given your comments about the bullpen (the Red Sox were 17th last year), and using your logic, the Dodgers should be trying to be worse than they are in the ‘pen – after all, 17th won the World Series! Sorry – every baseball publication has commented on the weakness of the ‘pen. Even Dodgers.com had an article entitled “Dodgers’ lead masking significant weak spot”. It’s not all better. As of 2 days ago, the ‘pen was 24th out of 30th in Win Probability Added.

    I understand the Joc Pederson experiment. It’s not something that should be done in real MLB games in the middle of the season though. I wonder how many games it’s gonna cost them? The games count in June too, you know. In 2017 they were on a pace to win over 115 games but famously lost 11 straight in September. You can take any game too lightly. I don’t think that you can risk losing games over the next 30.

  12. BumsrapJune 27, 2019

    Baseball rumors say the Dodgers are interested in Felipe Vazquez of the Pirates. That lefty would be awesome but it will cost. Ruiz and Stripling should more than get the conversation started.

    I’m enjoying the Joc experiment at first base. He would be one of the faster first basemen as opposed to being perhaps the slowest center fielder. He is having trouble getting used to a first baseman’s glove. One of the errors he made yesterday was a ground ball that hit the heel of his glove. Keeping the glove down is always the challenge of infielders and he is doing that.

    Joc has always had a low BABIP. He hits the ball hard and doesn’t strike out at a high rate so it is a launch angle issue or he is plagued by hitting the ball at fielders. Yesterday added to his unlucky BABIP with the catch that took a home run away from him.

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