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Dodgers Lost So What?

Before game 5 with the Nats, I admit I had periods of apprehension that Nats would win. By the time I turned on the TV, Kike had just hit his homerun. 3 runs of Strasburg in 1 plus innings. Now I was feeling pretty positive. But, as we all know, the Dodgers lost I was shocked, to say the least. I was as disappointed as I could

By Mark Timmons8 min readJump to 51 comments

Before game 5 with the Nats, I admit I had periods of apprehension that Nats would win.   By the time I turned on the TV, Kike had just hit his homerun. 3 runs of Strasburg in 1 plus innings.  Now I was feeling pretty positive.   But, as we all know, the Dodgers lost – –  – I was shocked, to say the least.  I was as disappointed as I could be.  Immediately, the thoughts began churning, how could we possibly lose that game?   Not now, not this year?   The Dodgers were supposed to win it all this year.  I felt crappy.   

The next morning, the sun rose like it always does here in Southern California.   I had work to do.   Still shocked and disappointed, but it wasn’t long before I remembered that my life is full of more important things than who wins and loses a game that I’m not playing in.  Nothing that I do can or could affect the outcome of the game.   Doesn’t matter if I wear my lucky socks or yell at the TV.   Mind you, baseball is an extremely important part of my life.   I’ve had a love affair with the game and the Dodgers for 60 some odd years.   I have spoken before about how much I love this game.    Additionally, in any sort of competition, I hate to lose, whether in trial or in playing a board game with my 5-year-old grandson.   If I lose in court, I realize that I can’t spend all of my time wallowing in disappointment or worrying about who was at fault.  Nope, I have to move on, because as soon as I return to the office there will be another client waiting for me because they think that I offer the best solution for them to solve their legal issues.  I also hate it when the Dodgers lose.   But, like in life, losing and failure is a big part of baseball.

As Roger Kahn so eloquently wrote:   “You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat. Losing after great striving is the story of a man, who was born to sorrow, whose sweetest songs tell of saddest thought, and who, if he is a hero, does nothing in life as becomingly as leaving it.”

The Dodgers lost . . . afterwards, the blog world has lit up with fans who have to access blame to someone.  It was Doc’s fault . . . Kershaw is a choke artist . . . so are Bellinger and Seager.   Give us their heads on a platter . . . and on and on it goes.    I don’t care to get involved in that type of discussion.   Mind you, I don’t cluck my tongue at those that do.   I come to baseball because of love.   I’m convinced it is the hardest game to play and it has so many different nuances that make it the great game it is.  I love watching it, listening to it, talking about it, writing about it and learning about it.   I do not come to it to make myself angry or distressed.  No, it brings me joy and I would never trade that joy for anger or bitterness.   It’s not worth it.

But, doggone it the Dodgers still lost.   Bummed but that’s the way it is.   Losing is part of baseball.  Having nothing really profound to say about the loss, I thought I would just share some quotes about losing and baseball, perhaps to cheer you up or maybe it’s just therapeutic for me. 

“Losing is only temporary and not all-encompassing.  You must simply study it, learn from it, and try hard not to lose the same way again.   Then you must have self-control to forget about it.”   John Wooden

“You never know what’s going to happen… And that’s the fun of it!! That’s what baseball’s all about!!”   Keiichi Arawi

All I know is when we win a game, it’s a team win. When we lose a game, it’s a team loss.” ‑ The Bad News Bears

Watching other teams in the World Series is like watching somebody else eat a Hot Fudge Sundae.” ‑ Joe Torre

“Winning isn’t everything to me, but it is a close second.   Losing isn’t something that I can just brush off and fake a smile to hide my frustration.   It’s that will and determination that I hope will get me where I want to go.”   Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 

I never thought of losing, but now that it has happened, the only thing is to do it right.  That’s my obligation to all who believe in me.   We all have to take defeats in life.” Muhammad Ali after losing to Ken Norton. 

No matter how good you are, you’re going to lose one‑third of your games. No matter how bad you are you’re going to win one‑third of your games. It’s the other third that makes the difference.”   Tommy Lasorda

“Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good, too.”   Yogi Berra

Yesterday’s home runs don’t win today’s games.”   Babe Ruth

It is dangerous to spring to obvious conclusions about baseball or, for that matter, ballplayers. Baseball is not an obvious game.”   Roger Kahn

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand.”  Leo Durocher

Worrying about things you can’t control is a waste both on the baseball field and in life.” Tom SawyersGHTS:

Some Additional Random Thoughts

I’m not interested in deciding whether or not Dave Roberts must be fired simply because he made some mistakes in 2 or 3 of 167 games played this year.   I don’t even understand why that discussion takes up so much of our time.   He’s not the perfect manager (who is?), but Roberts is the classic example of a gamer – someone once said “The worst part of Roberts being tagged as one of the new generation run amok is that he was the traditionalist’s ideal: a player who relished headfirst slides, who sacrificed his body for any ball in the gap and who stole the most important base in the history of baseball. He didn’t make his MLB debut until 27, didn’t have a regular starting job until 30, and was usually one of the least naturally talented players in the clubhouse. But he did have speed, determination, and personality. Like his former teammate Alex Cora, Boston’s already‑beloved manager, Roberts was the kind of player you’d add to the payroll just to have around the team.”    Moreover, Roberts became the first manager in MLB history to lead his team to division titles in each of his first four full seasons at the helm. He and Tommy Lasorda are the only rookie managers in franchise history to guide the Dodgers to a division title.  He beat out Gabe Kapler, Bud Black, Darin Erstad, and Dave Martinez, among others for the job.   Why do you want to get rid of such a man?   For whom?   Dusty Baker, Joe Torre(been there and done that and he was awful for the Dodgers), Mike Scioscia or ???   Personally, I would not mind having Doc around for a few more years. 

A baseball manager is a necessary evil.” ‑ George ‘Sparky’ Anderson

I’ve also decided that I’m not going to lose sleep over the decisions regarding Kelly and Kershaw.   I remain a believer that baseball is a team game.  Taken in isolation, we can analyze these decisions ad nauseum.   But these decisions were not made in isolation.   Any of a hundred different events could have changed the loss into a victory.    Baseball doesn’t have its version of Eddie Feigner of the King and his Court fame.   Feigner was probably the greatest softball pitcher of all time.    For years the King would travel around the world with his catcher, first baseman, and shortstop and the 4 of them would play against full 9 player teams and routinely, if not always, beat these teams.   Feigner could pitch from second base and still strike out the players on the other teams.   He would also pitch from center field and be able to strike batters out.   The King and his Court were softball’s version of the Harlem Globetrotters, possessing incredible talent and traveling all over bringing happiness and joy to young and old alike.   Baseball has no Eddie Feigner.   It’s a game that requires all 9 players, as well as those on the bench.  

As to Seager and Bellinger, It’s not my decision, but I would hold on to them for at least another year.   They are young, good and have tremendous potential for growth.   Personally, I think Seager is better than Kris Bryant.  

“I’ve come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.”  Bob Lemon   The Dodgers seem to be doing fine on the friend front.   However, they could use a good bullpen.   That probably has to occur by acquiring players from outside the organization, as other than perhaps De Geus (who is probably a year away), the minors have no pitchers ready to help at the major league level.   I also think that it’s probably time to move on from Yimi Garcia and Dylan Floro.   I’m ambivalent about Baez, but I still hold out hope for Scott Alexander and Caleb Ferguson.  

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good and that could be again.”   James Earl Jones 

When you start the game, they don’t say ‘Work Ball!’ They say, ‘Play ball!” ‑ Willie Stargell

That’s the great thing about baseball is that there will always be another game.   Pitchers and catchers report in February and then, just as trees and flowers begin to blossom, hope springs eternal as there will be another game, and another chance to win.   You know what?   I’ll be there, loving the game and the Dodgers as much as I ever have.   Won’t you join me?  In the meantime, let’s not worry or fret over those things we can’t control.  

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  1. Always CompeteOctober 14, 2019

    2D2, excellent post to bring us all back to reality. Baseball is a game. A GREAT game, but a game nonetheless. I bury myself in books and sports (principally LAD and USC) to get away from real life problems we recognize and/or experience every day. I look forward to retirement so that I can work with the less fortunate children who could care less if AJ Pollock struck out 11 times in 13 ABs.

    But that being said, I do love my baseball, and I believe if you are not moving forward you are falling behind. AF has done a magnificent job of navigating this proud organization from an inherited financial mess because of bloated contracts and a bereft minor league system, to an organization that has remained relevant, became financially sustainable, and rebuilt the minor league system into a legitimate pipeline to MLB players.

    I have no idea who a better manager, not currently employed, could possibly be. Doc is not perfect. Far from it. His misgivings seem to be much more pronounced during the playoffs. Just like players press, so do managers. Doc knows that he needs to win the Championship, and he tends to overthink and overmanage. He wants to force things. Is he capable of changing his overzealous practices? Maybe, maybe not.

    Arguably the greatest LAD Dodger manager in history once chose to let Stan Williams continue to struggle in the 9th inning while Don Drysdale was warm in the bullpen in a 1962 Must Win playoff game with the hated Giants. Lasorda/Niedenfuer/Clark? I agree that Doc cannot be compared to either HOF manager, but it does show that even the best make bonehead decisions at the most critical times. Lasorda did not win a WS until his 5th year in 1981, and even then the Dodgers did not deserve to be in the playoffs much less the WS. If it were not for the mid-season strike, the Dodgers would have missed the playoffs.

    Dodgerrick wanted JDM at the trade deadline in 2017. The DBacks stole him from Detroit. LAD could easily have made a better trade alternative than did AZ. They chose not to. Would JDM have made a difference in the 2017 WS? Possibly, but we will never know. We do know that the offense was MIA in that WS, and JDM could possibly have made a difference. Would Nicholas Castellanos have made a difference this year? Again, we will never know.

    But what we do know is that a set of broad shoulders begging the team to climb aboard is not currently on the team. I never believed it was Bryce Harper or Manny Machado? We know it is not Kershaw. It apparently is not Cody or Corey. Maybe it is Anthony Rendon, or Gerrit Cole & Walker Buehler, or Alex Verdugo, or Castellanos, or JDM, or three lock down late inning high leverage relievers that nobody will ever agree on. Almost every one of us has brought up Aaron Bummer. His name first came up last winter when the ChiSox were trying to get Joc Pederson and Hahn would not include Bummer in any trade. He was a relatively unknown at that time, and now some think he will be traded without a significant (!!!!) overpay. Hahn thought that Jace Fry was enough.

    The reason why I think this winter is different and that a high cost FA may be acquired is because this is the year that the organization has been working towards financially. As much as the ownership group has stated that they do not want to exceed the CBT, they have also stated as many times that they want to be at the CBT level. That premise has me hoping that at least one of Cole and or Rendon could be Dodgers next year. Is Mookie Betts or Kris Bryant a potential trade target. Trevor Bauer? If Cole and his agent, Scott Boras, price themselves out of a timely contract, will the Dodgers look at Zack Wheeler? Jake Odorizzi? Will they look at “fixing” their bullpen with Will Smith or Will Harris. Will they try to trade for Ken Giles or Jose Leclerc? How about Michael Lorenzen who I think will become a dominant high leverage late inning reliever next year. There are options that are visible, and dozens more that are not. There is $45MM to $50MM available to move forward and go bold.

  2. peterjOctober 14, 2019

    2D2 – Wow…Great effort… I save very few of these, but this a keeper that I will refer to for God knows how long… Thanks again…

    My wife lifted the suicide watch on me a couple days ago, but I’m still mumbling incoherently once in awhile to myself ( thank God with no replies)…

    Got in a short comment yesterday directed at AC, but as far as entering the LADT frey more, I’ll just wait… Still sorta like playing dodgeball in a mine field

    I turned 73 a couple weeks ago and in my mind, I’m running out of time… 1988 was one of my best sports years ever with my beloved Dodgers and Fighting Irish winning titles… I made the NCAAF playoffs last year and the Dodgers another trip to the WS… Being a realist, the Irish will only have a chance in the future if we can stockpile red shirts with hotel mgmt. aspirations… That leaves my Blue…

    I’m happy they retained Doc… No talk of trading Seager and Belli por favor!!! Geren and Honey put to pasture??? Really??? Why???

    We’ll see about trades and the like as the Winter meetings get close…

    P.S. Dodger Mom, you were a breath of fresh air and I’m looking forward to seeing your takes or questions as the year rolls on…

    Baseball was, is and always will be to me the greatest game in the world…Babe Ruth

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