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Could the Dodgers Stand Pat?

Gavin Stone’s last outing was a resounding success. Ryan Pepiot FINALLY went two innings in his 2023 debut. They will ramp him up over the next two weeks. Even Noah Syndergaard showed signs of life last night as he went five innings, allowing four hits and two earned runs while…

By Mark Timmons3 min readJump to 185 comments

Gavin Stone’s last outing was a resounding success. Ryan Pepiot FINALLY went two innings in his 2023 debut. They will ramp him up over the next two weeks. Even Noah Syndergaard showed signs of life last night as he went five innings, allowing four hits and two earned runs while striking out six and walking nary a batter. Add in Clayton Kershaw, and in early August, Pepiot, Syndergaard, and Kershaw will be back. Of course, all some of you will remember is how bad Thor was before he went on the IL, but just remember that past performance is not indicative of future prospects. Add in the prospect that Striker Buehler could be back in September, and I think the rumors of trading for starters will fly out the window.

Urias and Gonsolin both pitched very well in their last two starts, and while it is easy to believe that Gonsolin’s arm is hanging on by a tendon, that may not be the case at all – in fact, if it were the case, he would not be pitching. If his UCL is “frayed,” it would be felony stupid to allow him to pitch. I think Doc took him out so that he could build on this start. He also pitched well in his last start… except for two bad pitches. I think that this is enough starting pitching:

  1. Urias
  2. Gonsolin
  3. Kershaw
  4. Sheehan
  5. Pepiot
  6. Miller
  7. Grove
  8. Syndergaard

In fact, when everyone is back in August, Grove, Sheehan, and Pepiot will move to the pen or back to AAA. It depends upon who is hot, but all three could be bulk-inning eaters. Also, Alec Gamboa, who struck out the side in his first AAA appearance, is chomping at the bit to get the call. He is a lefty who was another converted starter, and he has flourished in the bullpen. He had Tommy John in 2017 and also missed 2018. Gamboa has 5-pitches that include a 2-seam/4-seam split with his fastball.  His fastball sits 93-94, and he hits 96 with his 4-seamer. He needs to be added to the 40-man roster or be lost to Rule 5 this winter… and he would get snatched in a heartbeat.

Look for Alec in a Ravine near you soon. Ken Giles is also at OKC… knocking off the rust after returning from Tommy John Surgery and Shoulder Surgery. He could also be a big help in August or September. Evan Phillips is outstanding as the closer, and he will get even better! I think the pitching – starters and bullpen are set! Depending upon what happens with Miguel Vargas, the Dodgers could acquire another RH bat to platoon in RF with Heyward.

I suppose that it is possible the Dodgers could trade for Nolan Aernado if he becomes available, but at this minute, I would say the chances of that are slim and none. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence and above the septic tank! Devin Mann also deserves a “look-see.” Jake Marisnick is an elite CF’er and will platoon with James Outman.

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  1. CassidyJuly 16, 2023

    We have such a depth of pretty good prospect talent. Not all can make it up so doesn’t it make sense to trade some of them before we lose them? Thinking Busch, Mann, one of our young catchers, and a couple of our young arms in return for some mlb talent like an Arenado or another real difference maker? Saw where Mann was playing SS. Can he play there at mlb level?

  2. norcaldodgerfanJuly 16, 2023

    Not buying a pennant race or post season with four rookies and 1 veteran and ineffective starter in Syndergaard as part of the proposed 8 starters as suggested. AF will get some additional pitching……bank it. Giolitto, Flaherty, Stroman or someone else will be brought in.

  3. DavidJuly 16, 2023

    Maybe 2 Vet starters Urias and Kershaw

  4. TMJuly 16, 2023

    Let me get this off my chest first…..I’m shocked MLB didn’t give Marvelous Max a hit and an RBI in the 9th inning. That ball had a lot of topspin and there was no way young Baty had a chance at catching that ball, perfectly placed. He never should have been called out for making an Error…it just wasnt. You see that kind of ball in tennis, which I should know, being a tennis star in my own mind.

    Give me a “like” if you agree. Thanks..,

    TM (short for Tenis Menace)

  5. Mark TimmonsJuly 16, 2023

    In the last 30 days, the Dodgers’ bullpen ERA is #6 in all of MLB!

  6. Johnny GentleJuly 16, 2023

    Yes!

    And I agree with Mark that standing pat is a viable strategy.

    New additions can blow up all on their own.

    Maybe save the prospect ammo for a smarter offseason trade.

  7. BobbyJuly 16, 2023

    There’s no reason to believe that if we had kept Bellinger, he’d be hitting .307 for us.

    To me, it’s obvious he needed a mental and physical re set , and there’s no better place than with a crappy team that has zero pressure to do anything.

    Now, if he is traded within the next 2 -3 weeks, we will see when he is back in a playoff pressure environment if the new Bellinger or the old Bellinger will show up. Maybe he’s fixed, and back to being a star player. Or maybe he’s better in a low pressure environment. We’ll find out the next 2-3 months.

    And I’m personally not counting on a guy who’s never done it and has been injured for 3 months (Pepoit), or a guy who was absolutely horrendous but somehow will be good now because he threw 5 innings in AAA (Thor) to save us going into October.

    It’s time to be pigs. Figure out which of these 8 right handed starters we have a ceiling of a 4/5 starter, and trade them. Keep the ones that have a ceiling of a 1 or 2 (or even 3) starter.

  8. Dodger dadJuly 16, 2023

    I’m wondering if the humidity was the reason for gonsolin s early departure last night. He looked gassed his last inning! Still believe doc did the right thing by taking him out. I guess syndergard gets another shot soon. Hoping for the best, but not sure how much longer he can go. I guess Barnes goes behind the plate today. That’s good since my son , grandson, and me are heading to Baltimore in the morning. My grandson is absolutely pumped! He pitches and plays first base and wears number 5 and loves Freddie! Would love to complete the sweep today. That would mean we went into New York and beat the Mets top 3 pitchers! Wouldn’t be totally opposed to verlander coming to LA, but not for top prospects. No to max! He’s nowhere near the beast he was, good but not a game changer. Still like Giolita coming in, but reds and rangers will be all in for him. I don’t think we stand pat nor should we! Bullpen looks a lot better, just wish bazooka would become a lockdown reliever, still makes me nervous like last night. !

  9. Hodges54July 16, 2023

    Today’s game changed to a 5:10 EDT start.

  10. OhioDodgerJuly 16, 2023

    Right hand hitting outfielders that will be free agents at the end of this season and play for a team that might be selling:

    AJ Pollock, Sea.

    Teoscar Hernandez, Sea.

    Hunter Renfroe, LAAngels.

    Randal Grichuk, Col.

    Tommy Pham, Mets.

    Jurickson Profar, Col.

    Trey Mancini, Cubs.

    Adam Duvall, Boston.

    Andrew McCutcheon, Pit.

    Mark Canha, Mets.

    Any of these guys look good? Duvall and Hernandez would be my first choices.

  11. philjonesJuly 16, 2023

    * Joe Davis has to carry AJ Pierznyski. Here’s a national FOX guy who doesn’t do his homework. A Fact Checker can have a field day with this guy. Too many to mention but one glaring comment – “Max Muncy couldn’t care less about his batting average. He just wants to walk and hit homers”.

    Read the Athletic article from July 14th, AJ.

    * I don’t want to hear anymore about our Bull Pen being over taxed when we pull a starter at 65 pitches when he’s sailing along. Back to my same old question – are pitchers better off pitching or resting?

    * I didn’t think this was Doc’s best game, despite the win. I have no idea why he didn’t send CT3 top 8, with Ottavino, who can’t hold runners and had 2 disengagement’s. He finally ran with 2 strikes. What do you need to see Doc? Get the guy in scoring position early in the count with 2 outs.

    * Have you ever watched Will interact with the opponents during a game? He doesn’t. I don’t know if he talks to hitters but I bet he doesn’t. Guys are all different. Mookie is alll hugs and bullshit. He has fun playing and talks to everybody. Freeman is the Welcome Wagon at 1 st. And Will talks to nobody on the field. I kinda like his focus an intensity. No nonsense competitor.

    * AJ was asking Joe in the 9th, why the Mets were not walking Muncy. I know why.

    * In the ninth and post game, the Met fans and team looked like it was just after the JFK assignation. There are some unhappy campers in the stands and dugout. I wonder how much rope Buck has?

    Looking forward to watching Bobby Miller today

  12. dodgerramJuly 16, 2023

    Is it really that hot in the USA ?

    Here in Germany t is one of the top stories in the 8 o´clock news . They are saying it has never been that hot in the South and a nation wide heat warning is in effect.

    Hard to believe but here in Germany and europe the MSM are trying everything to seed panic about the supposed man made climate change.

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. dodgerpatchJuly 16, 2023

    The only reason you’d even trade for a Giolito is if you wanted to make a push to win the division and, I suppose, to have a solid 4th starter for the playoffs. But really you only need three really sold starters to make a playoff run.

    The Dodgers depth is a bit shaky, but conceivably, if everything broke right and Urias, Kershaw and Gonzo were pitching at a really high level, that’s all you’d need. … but everything has to break just right.

    The Braves are loaded and everything is going right for them right now. And Anthopoulis has done a fantastic job locking up all of their young talent for the foreseeable future. In some ways his approach is smarter than even the Friedman Method, and that template was copied a little when Tampa Bay locked up Wander Franco for his peak years long term.

    The Braves are set for a while, but, like the Dodgers last year, they can get bumped off in the playoffs.

  14. Duke Not SniderJuly 16, 2023

    “If everything broke right…”

    We can be sure that won’t happen, which is why a proven SP like Giolito or Stroman would really help. The IL list right now includes Kershaw, Buhler, May, with Pepiot and Syndergaard making rehab starts. If everything broke right, those 5 guys would be an excellent rotation!

    If the Cards want to dump Arenado’s (not-so-exorbitant) salary, the Dodgers should be in the hunt. He’d be a big upgrade on offense and defense for years to come.

  15. BradleyJuly 16, 2023

    Betts

    Freeman

    Arenado

    Smith

    JD Martinez

    Peralta/taylor

    Heyward/taylor

    Outman/merisnick

    Rosario/Rojas

    That looks like a world series lineup.

  16. philjonesJuly 16, 2023

    I can’t find the Dodger – Mets game today at 2:00 on the MLB package. Any clues where to find this game besides Sports Net LA?

  17. Andrew Vincent ForteJuly 16, 2023

    5:10 PMax M ET

    Dodgers (53-38)

    Mets (42-50)

    SP Bobby Miller R

    5-1 4.50 ERA

    SP Scherzer R

    8-3 4.31 ERA

    Confirmed Lineup

    2B Mookie Betts R

    1B F. Freeman L

    3B Max Muncy L

    DH J. Martinez R

    LF D. Peralta L

    RF J. Heyward L

    CF James Outman L

    SS Miguel Rojas R

    C A. Barnes RHo

    Rain

    65% Rain

    81° Wind 10 mph R-L

  18. BobbyJuly 16, 2023

    Wow that may have been the fastest 3 innings I”ve ever seen.

    That may have been 35 min max?

  19. RichieFJuly 16, 2023

    What happened with Heyward??

  20. Daniel Estrada RosalesJuly 16, 2023

    Wuaaa, Rojas!!!! Primer play!!!

  21. Mark TimmonsJuly 16, 2023

    Mookie is Spookie!

  22. dodgerramJuly 16, 2023

    Got Bobby Miller off the hook, now win it.

    Vargas at OKC today with 4 BBs plus a hit.

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!

  23. DavidJuly 17, 2023

    So we faced Scherzer and Verlander. So even though they not what they once were, still showed they can get up for the big game. So Verlander had that freaky game with 6 walks and we beat him. But still just 3 hits total against the two of them. So OK we split the two games. But maybe a preview of what this lineup may do against a ‘playoff’ type pitcher.

  24. 4-GensJuly 17, 2023

    It’s time to start pich hitting for Muncy, or drop him down in the line up. 1 hit and 1 RBI against a crappy team like the Mets is not acceptable when you’re in position, multiple times to do more.

  25. norcaldodgerfanJuly 17, 2023

    If Arenado becomes available the Dodgers should try to make that trade. Max (according to Sportrac) has a base salary of $10 million in 2024 with the Dodgers holding a club option with no buyout. Take on Arenado’s salary and let Max go at the conclusion of the 2023 season.

    He should not be hitting fourth, he K’s far too often, he seems a bit out of shape (round is a shape isn’t it?). Say yes to Arenado.

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