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Can You Ever Have too Much Pitching?

There is an old saying in baseball that you can never have too much pitching, so it seems logical that Dodger fans want Andrew Friedman to pick up more pitchers. Some Dodger fans thought that Andrew Friedman would sign Justin Verlander or Jacob deGrom. He didn’t sign either one…

By Mark Timmons5 min readJump to 113 comments

There is an old saying in baseball that you can never have too much pitching, so it seems logical that Dodger fans want Andrew Friedman to pick up more pitchers. Some Dodger fans thought that Andrew Friedman would sign Justin Verlander or Jacob deGrom. He didn’t sign either one and then proceeded to let Andrew Heaney, Tyler Anderson, Chris Martin, and Tommy Kahnle walk. Now I hear Dodger fans want to trade for a closer, such as Liam Hendriks. You can never have too much pitching… Right? Others want Friedman to sign Carlos Rodon, Chris Bassitt, or some other Starting Pitcher because you can never have too much pitching… Right?

In the case of the Dodgers and having too much pitching, I say that is wrong! You can only carry 12 or 13 pitchers on the roster at a time, and if you have a very good farm system as the Dodgers do, you HAVE to let them grow into roles they may be ready for. Andrew Friedman is not afraid to try new things. Over the past several years he has demonstrated a proclivity to take on pitchers who were injured or out of sorts as reclaimation projects. He was successful with some and not successful with others.

Brandon Morrow was a success story. So were Tyler Anderson, Evan Phillips, Yency Almonte, Andrew Heaney, and Chris Martin. Danny Duffy, Tommy Kahnle, and others that Friedman invested in were not a good deal. I suspect he will not be so active in the future in acquiring injured players. Still, I do not blame him for trying. It’s classic low risk – high reward!

The truth is: the Dodgers do not need to add any expensive pitching. We don’t know when Bobby Miller will be ready, but it very well could be THIS year. Ryan Pepiot and Gavin Stone ARE ready ths year. One of the things I have disagreed with Andrew Friedman about is that he sometimes holds back players… especially pitchers. Unless he bombs during Spring Training (and that could happen), Gavin Stone needs to be moved to the 40-man roster and be on the Opening Day Dodger Roster. Ryan Pepiot is right there too.

Let’s look at what the Dodgers starting pitchers look like right about now (the order is irrelevant):

  1. Julio Urias (one of the top starters in baseball)
  2. Dustin May (he has been used very cautiously and now will be ready for 120+ innings)
  3. Tony Gonsolin (no evidence his injury was anything but arm fatigue)
  4. Clayton Kershaw (I will take a duplication of what he did last year)
  5. Gavin Stone (I have been beating this drum for a while)
  6. Ryan Pepiot (a 3.47 ERA as a rookie is pretty dang good – expect improvement)
  7. Bobby Miller (great expectations but has not delivered)
  8. Mike Grove (he performed as expected and may not be a starter)
  9. Trevor Bauer (the 800 Pound Gorilla in the Room – Public Perception is now more on his side)

That is enough depth. Walker Buehler will be back in 2024, and it is not a definite thing that he will be dominant again… be we wait and see. Gonsolin realized his potential last year. Hopefully, this is the year for Dustin May. You have to give it the opportunity. You can have too much pitching if you are blocking the kids.

Then I hear that the Dodgers need a closer – Liam Hendriks has been mentioned, even though the White Sox say they have no intention of trading him. Remember the last closer we acquired from the White Sox? No, thank you! Liam Hendriks will be 34 next season. He toiled in the A’s system for 7 or 8 years until he became their closer. He has a 3.81 ERA in his career and typically blows 4 to 7 saves a year. The problem with Dodger fans is that they see what a guy was, not what he will be! Liam Hendriks is the Flavor of the Week!

You can have Liam Hendriks, and I will take Evan Phillips (1.14 ERA/0.76 WHIP). He’s almost six years younger, and he is ready to close. If he falters, the Dodgers have Daniel Hudson (2.22 ERA, 5-6 in save opportunities last year), Yency Almonte (1.02 ERA & filthy), and Alex Vesia (2.15 ERA). All of them had a better ERA than Hendriks! Like Hendriks, they have not been established closers as yet, but I will take the Dodger’s back-end of the bullpen over just about anyone’s. That bullpen includes the following:

  1. Caleb Ferguson (1.82 ERA)
  2. Andre Jackson (1.86 ERA – he is going to be outstanding as a reliever)
  3. Jake Reed (1.93 ERA – AF sees something in him and so do I)
  4. Bazooka (he just needs a little tweak to become unhittable – but I can’t guarantee it)
  5. Phil Bickford (not spectacular but reliable)
  6. Victor Gonzalez (said to be pain-free and svelte)
  7. Shelby Miller (another rehab project)

With Hudson, Phillips, Vesia, and Almonte, that is an outstanding bullpen! Just say no to Liam Hendriks.

Paid Professional Sportswriters are Frequently Wrong!

Witness Jon Heyman trying to he the first to break a story and spouting false information. Heyman is connected to many people within the game, but someone gave him some false information, and he was quick to pass it on. He wanted to be the Hero and instead was branded the GOAT (and I do not mean G.O.A.T.). During this time of year, believe half of what you see and none of what you read. Guys like Andrew Friedman will mislead you. At this juncture, I’d say my record is better than Heyman’s, so you need to give me a raise! 😉

I hear that Farhan is suicidal today!

Rule 5 Draft Today

The Dodgers could lose five players on None… or something in-between. It depends upon what other teams value.

Aaron Bates Promoted

With Brandt Brown moving to the Marlins, Aaron bates will become the hitting coach along with Robert Van Scoyoc. It remains to be seen what that means… if anything. I have heard rumblings that AF wants to cut down on strikeouts (if only by 10%).

Goodbye, Cody, We will remember you back in 2019. Good Luck (except when playing the Dodgers)

Mitch Haniger

The Giants are paying him to be a solid starter, but he will be 32 and has seldom been healthy. I put this is the category of a “dope-fiend move.” 3 Year/$43.5 Million deal. The Dodgers are going to be “bottom feeders” on this. I like a $3 Million/1 Year deal for Andrew McCutchen. That may or may not happen, but this is what the Dodgers are looking for in LF.

Patience Grasshoppers! Something will happen at SS, but it may not even be this year (2022). It might be sometime in 2023!

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  1. dodgerramDecember 8, 2022

    If the Dodgers are all out after Ohtani and Sasaki next year I am fine if they stay put this winter.

    it will cost a lot of money to get those two players.

    Padres are insane.

    Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. kpizzleDecember 8, 2022

    I don’t get why everyone thinks what the Padres are doing is insane. They are GOING FOR IT and the way I see it they have a pretty big window to win multiple championships. Yeah in 7 years some of these contracts will come back to bite them but if they win a world series or two doubt anyone in SD will care. Boegarts is also insurance in case Manny opts out of his contract at the end of the year. He can easily slide over to 3B if needed. There is more than one way to build a winner and even though I like the way the Dodgers go about it all we have to show for it is a Mickey Mouse shortened season Championship and a bunch of division titles. As of now Padres are easily the favorite in the NL West. Don’t be surprised if next year when Urias is a free agent if they throw a bunch of dollars at him too.

  3. MattDecember 8, 2022

    I think Swanson makes some sense. He needs to cut down on his K’s though.

    Im fine with Lux at SS also. Look Trea had great #s and all that but I really never saw him get any big hits for us. I dont have the #s to back that up but whenever he was up in big spots seemed like he failed to me. And his D was below AVG.

    To me thats not a huge loss or not as big as people make it out to be. We need guys to pass the baton, is that Swanson, I dont know. My guess is he stays in ATL….

  4. JonathanDecember 8, 2022

    Andrew, great point on Doc, now we’ll see if he’s the whole package. I lean toward success.

    In Mark, I trust! Walk me off the ledge! The shiny toy is great, but I break it fast then I am sad.

    I have to trust the system. Integrate the well-developed young guys with strategically placed veterans and watch success. Maybe not flashy, but (hopefully) effective.

  5. FallitoDecember 8, 2022

    People forgets Doc dealt with Verdugo, Wil Smith, Lux, Edwin Rios. He induce confidence in players.

  6. BulldogsandPenguinsDecember 8, 2022
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    Gavin, Gavin Gavin!

    Doc says they’ll get another outfielder. I don’t know where the hell they’ll get him from?

    Starting Pitching “Depth”. Someone they can fix?

    Possible JT return. Urgh. Too old.

  7. sbuffaloDecember 8, 2022

    Honestly, everything depends on the pitching, both starters and bullpen. I’m guessing AF adds some depth to the rotation.

    At this point, offensively, without Trea, the Dodgers are not nearly as good as last season. The Padres are a lot better, except the rotation where the Dodgers have an advantage, if the young pitchers come through.

    LA needs a CF. they said they will get one, perhaps add another hitter. I’d pass on Swanson. Gavin Lux has good range, it’s his natural position. Why not Dansby? The strikeouts. Just tired of swing and miss rally killers. Some times it takes awhile for young hitters to make the jump. No guarantees they step up and produce.

    We won’t have much longer to wait on Bauer. If they uphold the suspension, the Dodgers are clear. If they don’t they may have to cut a check for back pay and then pay tax on top of it. What a mess.

    What a nice gift for Christmas. Of course, I suppose he could solve any rotation depth issues, if he can actually pitch at an elite level after all this. Who knows?

  8. Mark TimmonsDecember 8, 2022

    Everyone seems to be talking up AJ Preller as a “genius.”

    To me, he is a real dumbass. Here’s why: MLBTR predicted that Bogaerts would get a $189 Million Contract. The Red Sox offered him a deal of less than $200 Million. Preller signed him for $280 Million – almost $100 million more than any other offer.

    Wait until Machado and Tatis see how little range Xander has at SS and start arguing they should be there. This has the ability to go south… with a quickness!

    AJ Preller is not a genius…

  9. Mark TimmonsDecember 8, 2022

    McCutchen is still out there and would be a good platoon piece in LF, as would Michael Brantley.. how about both?

    It would be nice to get Ross Stripling back, but the Dodgers do not need pitching.

  10. CassidyDecember 8, 2022

    We need a big RH bat in LF and keep Taylor in his utility role. And you have to be more than a little nervous with that young infield defense! McCutchen’s bat is no longer big.

  11. Mark TimmonsDecember 8, 2022

    I hear that the Bauer Decision is coming tomorrow!

  12. Mark TimmonsDecember 8, 2022

    Dodgers Sign Jason Heyward To Minor League Deal

    So, ironically, Chicago could not fix Heyward and LA could not fix Cody. But the Cubs are paying $18 million for Cody and Jason is almost free for the Dodgers.

  13. Mark TimmonsDecember 8, 2022

    It looks like AF is under orders to reset the Luxury Tax FOR SURE!

  14. Watford DodgerDecember 8, 2022

    Please sign Benintendi for LF and a bit of CF.

    His .300 avg would sit nicely between Mookie and Freddie and be very affordable compared to what I’m seeing this week, so won’t hamstring us for years like I’m expecting from some of these GM moves.

    Remember we have Playoff Baseball every year, and it’s by not making these over long deals that allows AF to pivot in which ever way he chooses. The Preller’s of this world are closing down those options for themselves. By adding our home grown players it means we have more flexibility elsewhere. We are really in a great position tbh, not having to throw ridiculous contracts at these guys.

    The Asstros are the only other team to be in such a strong position, and possibly the Braves.

    Personally I’m very happy about where we are, and I think if we added Benintendi we would be set.

    Bauer coming back into the fold would be a huge bonus.

    Eric – hope you’re doing better my friend.

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