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The Changing of The Guard

It is happening. Slowly for sure, but it is happening. At the beginning of this season the Dodgers had five veteran starting pitchers. Kershaw, Urias, Gonsolin, Syndergaard and May. May obviously the kid in the bunch but entering his 4th season in the majors Many of their…

By Michael "Bear" Norris5 min readJump to 58 comments

It is happening. Slowly for sure, but it is happening. At the beginning of this season the Dodgers had five veteran starting pitchers. Kershaw, Urias, Gonsolin, Syndergaard and May. May obviously the kid in the bunch but entering his 4th season in the majors Many of their back-up players are and were veterans. Some vets they signed in the offseason looked like they would be making the team. Peralta and Heyward stuck. Lux was injured and Rojas became the starting SS.

Now they are down to Kershaw. And he is not at his best. It is going to fall to one veteran, Lance Lynn, and some rookies, take your pick. Grove, Pepiot, Miller, Sheehan and possibly Stone, to get the Dodgers to the promised land. Kersh is going to pitch until he no longer can. Miller has established himself in the rotation with some gritty performances. We have seen flashes from Pepiot, Grove and Sheehan. Stone has pitched better at AAA of late.

The time for change is here. I wanted to see if I could find a playoff team with as many young pitchers on their staff during the playoffs. I did not have to look far. The 2020 Braves had three starting pitchers under the age of 26 that they used in the NLCS against the Dodgers. Max Fried, Kyle Wright and Ian Anderson. They also had another pitcher, 22-year-old, Bryse Wilson, who started one of the seven games. Although 2020 was the shortened season, the Braves had four pitchers 26 and under who got them to the NLCS.

And they had the Dodgers on the brink of elimination after four games. I see no reason we cannot expect the young Dodger pitchers to step up and perform like veterans. If others did it, it is possible for our kids to do the same. Anything in baseball is possible. Weak teams beat strong teams all the time. And I remember many games where the Dodgers facing a rookie that they had never seen and not doing very well against them.

But the real change will be what this team looks like come spring training. 2024. The Dodgers have a lot of payroll coming off of the books. Besides the free agents list, which is huge, they have options on Lynn and Muncy. Kersh, Urias, who at this point is pretty much a given as to not coming back, Peralta, Hernandez, Heyward, Rosario, Kelly, Miller, Treinen, Hudson, Wong, Brasier, Martinez, Yarbrough. All those guys will be free agents. Barnhart has a player option for 24.

I have a feeling there is going to be a huge turnover of the roster this winter. I think CK will make some sort of decision by say the winter meetings. If his shoulder needs surgery, all bets are off. I still have to believe he will retire if surgery is needed. One thing I do know is that the Dodgers will let him take his time to make his decision.

I also think that Jason Heyward will get another year at least with the team. He is solid on the field and great in the clubhouse. Peralta probably will not. I think some rookies, DeLuca, Vargas, and several pitchers, are going to get long looks in the spring. But also remember that next season they are starting play on the 20th of March against the Padres in Korea. Not all of the players will travel with the team. After that opening 2 game series, they come back to the States and play three games with the Angels and then open the home season at Dodger Stadium on the 28th of March against the Cardinals. That is a four-game series.

The winter meetings are going to be of great interest to Dodger fans as we wait to see if AF makes any trades or free-agent signings to bolster the pitching staff. As much as Andrew loves to hold on to prospects, I have to believe if they add a starting pitcher, it will be through free agency. There will be plenty of names out there. Do they take a chance that they can fix whatever is wrong with Giolito and bring him home?

Do they finally decide that they will pick up some of his contract and see if anyone wants Chris Taylor? There will be other players available who can fill his Swiss Army knife role. How will Gavin Lux play after missing a whole year? There are a lot of questions that will need to be answered. And the changing of the guard will begin in earnest.

I think most of us believe the most drastic changes will be with the pitching staff. With May and Gonsolin both down for the count next year, the options will be numerous. I have always felt the Dodgers are pretty good at growing their own. And the kids will definitely get some long looks in spring. Based on what I have seen, Miller is of course, a lock to be in the rotation next season. Sheehan and Pepiot both looked pretty good their last time out. Grove has also shown some promise.

I am looking at Stone as a possible back end of the bullpen piece. But I am not sure the Dodgers look at him as a reliever at all. If he adds a pitch or two that he can control, maybe he becomes a middle-of-the-rotation guy. Right now, with two pitches, I am not so sure.

There are other guys just starting their AAA journeys that might come into play also. Knack, Frasso. Some have mentioned a couple of Japanese pitchers who will be available this winter. Possibly they would sign one. I do not believe they could get more than that. We just have to wait and see what the plan is.

Down on the Farm

  • Miguel Vargas was 2-5 with a double and 3 RBI. He is hitting .308 (.909 OPS).
  • Jorbit Vivas was 4-5. He could be a roster causality or trade as he is really only a second baseman.
  • Kyle Hurt pitched 5 shutout innings (1 BB, 1 H, 6 K’s) for OKC
  • Michael Grove pitched an inning and was predictably roughed up.
  • River Ryan also pitched 5 shutout innings for Tulsa
  • Dalton Rushing caught and was 2-3 with a double for GL

Miguel Vargas Showing off his Power

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  1. Jayne CobbSeptember 8, 2023

    I hope they push Mookie to take as much time off as he needs. He had to be 100% going into the playoffs. Foot injuries can be pesky things. I had a few in my day and it’s often 24 hours later before the swelling really takes hold. I remember twisting my ankle playing pick up basketball in HS. Didn’t hurt much. I kept playing. The next morning I could barely walk and I had to take the laces out of my shoe just to get it on. I limped for about a week.

    I’m glad X-rays were negative. The division is won so there is no reason to rush his recovery.

  2. SpokaneBobSeptember 8, 2023

    Bear I agree about Hayward and Peralta but I think Jason will get a two or three year deal to stay on the team with Freeman.

    I would also resign Rosario and maybe Brasier.

    If I were GM This winter I would:

    Trade for Arenado and sign Cody (Outman moves to left field).

    I am also on the Rojas bandwagon.

  3. Dodger dadSeptember 8, 2023

    Watching a Maddux like performance last night from Pepiot! Now I’m certainly not comparing Pepiot to Greg Maddux, the kid was money! Don’t believe he gets sent back down now! Anything close to last night is better than Julio was bringing. I look for Lynn and Clayton to rebound from their last starts. Even if Clayton is done, I’ll still watch him till he throws his last slider! He’s earned the right to go out on his terms. A strong start tonight from Emmet is going to happen! But don’t take the Nationals lightly. They have been pretty good at times this season and Dodgers somehow struggle against lower competition. Wow can Chris Taylor shut us up Quicker than he can swing and miss 3 in a row! I would have no issues with Rojas being ss next season! Just need a couple of strong hitters added to the lineup. Hopefully Barnes is playing elsewhere next year! Miller, Bueler, Pepiot, Stone, and 1 lefty next year. Not Blake Snell. I too believe Peralta is not brought back. I’m not sure about Muncy. I do believe it’s Max not Vargas. Or it could be neither. I like Vargas but I don’t believe he thrives in a platoon situation. He needs to play every day. Maybe Max has upped his game enough lately to stick around another year. Scary thing is Braves are set for a long time! Their guys come and play every day, hardly platooning at all. As for our dodgers, guess as long as Roberts and Friedman are here that’s all we’ll see. I agree with an earlier poster, let Heyward play more no matter who’s on the mound. I like James Outman a lot. But I’m not convinced he won’t be part of a trade package during the offseason. And no, Cody isn’t coming back! Probably won’t be able to watch games this weekend. Due to blackout restrictions. I live almost 6 hours away from Washington and can’t watch the game! This sucks as much as Angel Hernandez!

  4. Mark TimmonsSeptember 8, 2023

    Rojas has saved a ton of hits and runs. He is a Wizard.

    On a down note: Mookie Betts left the Stadium on crutches last night. X-Rays were negative, but he has some swelling.

  5. TMSeptember 8, 2023

    No confidence in Stone or Grove yet…..need to see more minor league domination first before I see them in LA.

    And as I’ve been saying all year…ROJAS IS A KEEPER AND SHOULD PLAY SS ALL YEAR.

    The guy is awesome in the field (ask any pitcher) and I can take his bat any day of the week.

    Please please don’t feel you need to fit head case Lux in that position. Please…

    IN ROJAS I TRUST!

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