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The ASStericks Cheating Scandal

ASStericks! 2Demeter2 came up with that and I give him his props for that actually I am jealous that he thought of it before me. Henceforth (or is it Hinchforth) they are no longer the Astros, but rather the ASStericks. Here s is what 2Demeter2 has to say about the cheaters: 2Demeter2 Having just completed reading Commissioner Rob Manfred’s 9-page report regarding this matter there were many things that made my

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ASStericks! 2Demeter2 came up with that and I give him his props for that… actually I am jealous that he thought of it before me. Henceforth (or is it Hinchforth) they are no longer the Astros, but rather… the ASStericks. Here’s is what 2Demeter2 has to say about the cheaters:

2Demeter2

Having just completed reading Commissioner Rob Manfred’s 9-page report regarding this matter… there were many things that made my stomach turn.  There were, however, a few things that really stood out to me.   

•   The first was this statement:   “Many of the players who were interviewed admitted that they knew the scheme was wrong because it crossed the line from what the player believed was fair competition and/or violated MLB rules. Players stated that if Manager A.J. Hinch told them to stop engaging in the conduct, they would have immediately stopped.”    Are you freaking kidding me?  I knew it was wrong to beat my wife or embezzle funds from the business, but if only my friends, or my boss, would have told me what I was doing was wrong, I would have stopped.  They didn’t so I kept on doing it.   

•    The second statement:    “Although the Astros’ players did not attempt to hide what they were doing from Hinch or other Astros employees, they were concerned about getting caught by players from other teams. Several players told my investigators that there was a sense of “panic” in the Astros’ dugout after White Sox pitcher Danny Farquhar appeared to notice the trash can bangs. Before the game ended, a group of Astros players removed the monitor from the wall in the tunnel and hid it in an office. For the Postseason, a portable monitor was set up on a table to replace the monitor that had been affixed to the wall near the dugout.”   I’m going to keep cheating on my wife, but I’m worried about getting caught, so I’ll develop better methods to cover up my bad behavior.

Given these findings, it is beyond my comprehension that no player was disciplined.   Some claimed that they weren’t sure that it helped them.   Really?   Their team batting average for 2017 was a collective .282.  Ironically, the worst hitter in the starting line-up was 40-year-old Carlos Beltran, who hit .231 and had an OPS of .666.  Enough said.  If players can be suspended and have their reputations tarnished because they innocently took an over the counter product, not punishing the “Ass” terisk players seems very hypocritical to me.   Reading the report, I was reminded of Jerry Tarkanian, the legendary college basketball coach, and his ongoing battles with the NCAA.   He was very quick to point out the double standards within that organization.  As he would often rail: “The NCAA was so mad at UCLA, they were going to put Cal. State Northridge on 2 years probation!”  I haven’t quite put my finger on it yet, but I feel that MLB has a much deeper institutional problem within the hierarchy of the upper echelons of Major League Baseball.   There’s a sort of elitist attitude that allows them to wink at existing problems in an effort not to tarnish the sport to badly. 

Overall I think the punishment was too light.   I’m not sure what I would have done differently, but I do know that Alex Cora should take a seat next to Pete Rose.  Moreover, if Carlos Beltran is allowed to keep his job with the Mets, after these disclosures, the resulting stench will be awful.    

My Take

I think MLB did all they could do and the punishment was severe, however, justice could never be served in this case. The ASStericks took a World Series Championship from the Dodgers by cheating. Nothing can ever restore that. MLB can’t vacate that Championship and sanctioning players individually would result in long and protracted litigation with the MLBPA. Their decision was decisive and severe, given the constraints they operate under.

In Game 1 of the World Series in 2017, Clayton Kershaw was dominant, going 7 innings, allowing just 3 hits and striking out 11. Then in Game 5, he was uncharacteristically bombed, giving up 6 ER. Dodger fans assumed that he was a “choke artist” but now we find out the ASStericks with their CF Camera and Morse Code Bat Banging knew what was coming.

A .250 hitter becomes a .400 hitter when he knows what pitch is coming because he lays off the curveball that ends up in the dirt and sits on that fastball at just the right time. It’s a game-changer and instead of going back to LA with a 3-2 lead, the Dodgers were behind 3-2. It was more than just a game that was lost when Kershaw was bombed in Houston. Seeing your Ace get crushed was akin to the team having their hearts cut-out: “uh oh, here, we go again!” The whole series turned on that entire cheating incident, and it changed careers, legacies, and lives… forever!

I believe AJ Hinch when he says he did not promote cheating. It was Alex Cora and the players led by Carlos Beltran. However, he did nothing to stop it and he was in charge. A one-year ban and being fired is light in my opinion, but I think MLB did what they felt would stick. I do not believe that Jeff Luhnow did not know. He knew and ignored it.

Jeff Luhnow

Like Barry Bonds HR record, the ASStericks 2017 World Series Championship is officially a joke and the Architect who built the 2017 Dodgers still has to endure the morons who still insist on saying “Andrew Friedman has never won anything!”

In the next few days or weeks, we shall learn about the fate of the cheating 2018 Red Sox, led by the criminal Alex Cora. Their GM is already gone, but Alex Cora will be suspended for at least a year… most likely longer. Possibly for life. Allegedly, the Red Sox stopped cheating in the playoffs…

It’s possible that Andrew Friedman could have two titles if not for the cheating. Here’s what needs to happen TODAY: John Henry and the Red Sox need to grow a pair and fire Alex Cora, NOW! They need to act decisively in the interest of baseball and their own organization. Cut ties now… get a new manager and move on!

I’m outta’ here?

You are not going to hear anything from the Dodgers about the Astros punishment as they released this statement:

All clubs have been asked by Major League Baseball not to comment on today’s punishment of the Houston Astros, as it’s inappropriate to comment on discipline imposed on another club. The Dodgers have also been asked not to comment on any wrongdoing during the 2017 World Series and will have no further comment at this time.”

This whole thing sickens me.

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  1. Watford DodgerJanuary 14, 2020

    I would be over $10,000 richer if we had won either of those World Series.

    This is a terrible smear on the game – when a whole Franchise is involved in a calculated cheating system, they should be stripped of their title, and 2017 should be left blank.

  2. Evan BladhJanuary 14, 2020

    This part of the report regarding Manfred’s opinion of the culture that exists in the Houston organization I find most telling:

    “But while no one can dispute that Luhnow’s baseball operations department is an industry leader in its analytics, it is very clear to me that the culture of the baseball operations department, manifesting itself in the way it’s employees are treated, its relations with other Clubs, and its relations with the media and external stakeholders, has been very problematic. At least in my view, the baseball operations insular culture – one that valued results over other considerations, combined with a staff of individuals who often lacked direction or sufficient oversight, led, at least in part, to the Brandon Taubman incident, the Club’s admittedly inappropriate and inaccurate response to the incident, and finally, to an environment that allowed the conduct described in this report to have occurred.”

    Essentially the Commish believes Luhnow to be a scumbag, responsible for creating a cultural climate in the Houston org. that put winning over integrity. I don’t think he’s the only executive in the game that would stoop to those levels, but I’m surprised that he put that opinion out there.

    As far as all the comments about the Assterisks vacating the title. It was never going to happen. Then again, opposing fans will let them have it and never allow them to forget. That in itself will either make or break the Houston club. They’ll only have themselves in their corner. 2020 will be a long season for the cheaters, a team that has mainly stayed in tact the past 3 seasons. Imagine what it will be like when Houston Goes into the Bronx to play for the first time this year

  3. BobbyJanuary 14, 2020

    I have, on numerous occasions on this board, called Kersh a choker, etc for his numerous playoff failures. I have said he’s the #1 reason we don’t have at least 1 ring in this 7 year run.

    I will now stop with those comments. Granted he wasn’t great in 2013, 2014, or 2016 (he was great vs the Mets in 2015), but 2017 was his year to win World Series MVP if he wins that crucial game 5 in Houston. Can’t fault him or Yu for what happened.

    Now let’s go take this in 2020 and finally get our ring.

  4. IdahoalJanuary 14, 2020

    MLB is weak. If Cora is not suspended for life, then remove the ban from Pete Rose. Every player who knew about and said nothing should be suspended for 10 games. Every position player who used it should be suspended 30 games. Rotate the suspension so the Astros have a team. Suspend the player(s) who thought up the scheme for life. There is no place in any sport for cheaters. Let the players union defend cheaters. Take away the WS title from the Astros. You cannot give it to LA. Fine every player the amount of difference between the winner and loser amount.

    Making every team shut up is wrong.

  5. MushersPopJanuary 14, 2020

    Regarding Beltran: From what the NYPost is reporting, once MLB decided to grant all players immunity in its investigation, Beltran, a player for the 2017 Astros, found himself in the clear, in terms of discipline, as long as he cooperated, which baseball officials believe he did.

    As for vacating the Championship; The Commissioner’s Office made clear from the outset of this investigation that such a ruling wasn’t on the table. Think of the Pandora’s box that would open: Do you take away the 2000 Yankees’ title because ace Roger Clemens allegedly used illegal performance-enhancing drugs that season? What about Bobby Thomson’s “Shot Heard ‘Round the World” off Ralph Branca, which was likely achieved via illegal sign-stealing? It’s way too messy.

  6. DanielJanuary 14, 2020

    In light of the fact that the Dodgers might have won 2 WS I’d like to see all the naysayers of Roberts, Kershaw and Kasten take a break and admit that those 3 aren’t as bad as they thought. Give em a break, you have been second guessing things that were ok, except someone else was cheating.

    I really feel bad for Clayton, he may have been a hero instead of being tarnished. At least he answers to someone able to make ” all things work to the good… “

  7. norcaldodgerfanJanuary 14, 2020

    I would like to see some players start to comment, but there is a “code of silence” among players and I suspect we won’t hear much from them other than an occasional “drive by” comment. David Freese had a tweet yesterday that more or less “split the baby.” He was critical of the punishment meted out, but was also critical of Mike Friers without naming him specifically.

    Dan Plesac said on MLB TV that teams have two primary camps of players. The pitchers and position players. The pitchers, who make a living trying to get outs, are enjoying the unveiling of the cheating scandal while position players, who make a living trying to get base hits, might have a more subdued response.

  8. SoCalBumJanuary 14, 2020

    Where is the statement from the MLBPA? The other players and their union need to step up and go on the record that the behavior of certain players in the Astros organization is not condoned, nor excused by the union. That the game should be played hard, but with integrity. Union should call out the players for what they did – cheat their union brothers, the game, and the fans.

  9. rudybyrdJanuary 14, 2020

    Manfred is really Babyfred. What a weakling. He needs to go.

  10. Always CompeteJanuary 14, 2020

    I agree that the Red Sox should fire Cora now. Cora should be out of baseball forever and so should Carlos Beltran. It is disgraceful that MLB will not punish Beltran because he was a player at the time. So bloody what. Maybe there would be some union litigation, but bring it on. While the MLBPA would be required to represent the player, does anyone really believe that MLBPA will want to heartily represent cheaters right before their CBA is about to expire? It would really ring hollow that MLBPA gives a rip about the integrity of the game. Plus would NYM really want a manager that was fighting a legal battle over being disciplined for cheating?

    Come on MLB, you are in the right to go after the two masterminds behind this fiasco. You eliminated the two ostriches but are ignoring the true perpetrators. They in essence have a life time ban. Who is going to hire them?That is like locking up the getaway driver for life, but putting the actual bank robbers on probation. Come on Manfred and MLB, grow a pair. Ban Cora AND Beltran for life. Let the union represent cheating.

    This gag order placed on MLB teams is a crock as well. Jim Crane should be castigated himself. It is his team that was found cheating, whether he condoned it or not. He needs to take ownership of it all. I recognize that $5MM is the max allowed, but that was a drop in the bucket compared to what the team realized for “winning” the WS. Mark Walter should test the gag order and tell the world that Houston vacating their title is the least that they should have to pay. They should be banned from being able to participate in the next two years post season. So what if it hurts the City of Houston. What did their cheating do to the City of Los Angeles? Stand up for Clayton Kershaw and the team. If Houston cannot participate in the post season maybe the fans will stay away with nothing to play for, and that is what would hurt the organization. Not $5M.

    While the two draft picks are a start, the team will lose the #30 and perhaps #70 pick this year. A loss to be sure, but not like a Top 10 and Top 40 pick. They will plug those dollars lost in signing top draft choices back into the organization in other ways. They should also lose all of their International Free Agency money for two years as well.

    Come on Manfred, above any other responsibility, your job is to protect the integrity of the game, and this punishment hardly matches that vast responsibility. Make it hurt. I will wait to see what happens with Cora, but all you have done thus far is to punish two bit players (guilty as they are), and let Beltran and the Houston ASSterisks off the hook.

  11. 2demeter2January 14, 2020

    The more I have thought about the situation and the punishment handed out, it appears MLB had an eye clearly focused on the negotiations for the next collective bargaining agreement In light of this scandal, I don’t believe they want to follow that up with a players strike, so they determined to make a subtle shift in position and not rock the boat with player suspensions and fines, giving management some negotiation capital in other areas.

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