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MY RANDOM THOUGHTS ON THE WINTER MEETINGS ARE OVER NOW WHAT?

●Mercifully, the winter meetings are over. Lot’s of questions unanswered, but the main one for me is: Now what? As I wrote few weeks back, keep her steady as she goes. Also, remember, it was December 21, 2018, when the Dodgers surprised us with the Kyle Farmer trade. There’s lots of time between now and the start of spring training. ● It looks like Pedro Moura, of the Athletic, was

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●Mercifully, the winter meetings are over. Lot’s of questions unanswered, but the main one for me is: Now what? As I wrote few weeks back, keep her steady as she goes. Also, remember, it was December 21, 2018, when the Dodgers surprised us with the Kyle Farmer trade. There’s lots of time between now and the start of spring training.


● It looks like Pedro Moura, of the Athletic, was correct as he was one of the few reporters (perhaps only one) that expected the Dodgers to stand pat.


●Admittedly, I was disappointed that the Dodgers didn’t swing a big deal. It felt as if though all of my friends were receiving bikes for Christmas, while I got the underwear, socks and orange in my stocking. That said, when I look at the insane contracts handed out last week to the top four free agents, I’m very grateful the Dodgers did not jump in at those prices.


●Some have argued that signing a free agent costs you nothing but money. I don’t buy that argument. Once a top free agent is signed, the signing team will, at some point, have to pare down some salaries and non-tender some good players. Look at the Angels, they gave away Will Wilson, their top draft choice from last year, just to have the Giants take on the Zack Cozart salary. I understand the argument that, today, Anthony Rendon is worth a lot more than Will Wilson. However, there is more to it than just that. You also have to factor in the ability to sign your own players when the time comes. When 15% of your salary outlay is to one player, or 30-40% is to 3 or 4 players, there will come a time that you have to pay the piper. During the entire life of that huge contract, it will require some very creative roster construction around the edges. Moreover, what happens when Buehler, Bellinger, Seager and the like approach free agency. Will you be able to keep them, as long as you are anchored down with large salaries.


●There is also the luxury tax(CBT) to consider. The thresholds for the 2020 season, assessed by the average annual value of a player’s contract, are: First Tier: $208 million; Second Tier: $228 million and Third Tier: $248 million. The penalties are a bit convoluted but fairly straightforward. Teams who exceed the limit for the first time pay 20% rate on every dollar spent over the amount. Teams who exceed the limit two years in a row pay a 30% tax and teams who do so three or more years in a row are pay a 50% tax. The Yankees are in that situation. As of December 12, 2019, they had $261.5 million in payroll entering the 2020 season. Right now, they’re right up against the third-tier of the penalties. Even if they stay below that area, which they’re trying to do, the Yankees will certainly be a repeat offender. There’s no way to avoid it. So, here is what their penalties will be: they’ll pay a 30% tax on every dollar over $208 million, a 42% tax on every dollar over $228 million, and about $75.00 or so for every dollar over $248 million. I’ll let AC figure out what that means in real dollars, but it certainly isn’t chump change. As a result, the Yankees are looking to unload J. A. Happ, a pitcher who has won 59 games over the past 4 years. In order to trade him, they will probably have to attach a very good prospect to him to be able to get another team to bite. In the past 4 years, Gerrit Cole has 54 victories. Mind you, before you get all gingered up, I am not arguing that Happ is a better pitcher than Cole, he is not. I am just pointing out that signing a free agent, doesn’t happen in a vacuum and it can come with additional cost, sometimes substantial, attached.


●I tire of the articles on who the “winners and losers” were during the winter meetings. I don’t even know what that means. A few years ago, pundits were writing that the Padres were the big winners of the off-season, because of the Matt Kemp trade, among others. A year later, it was the Diamondbacks who were the winners because they signed Zack Greinke and acquired Shelby Miller. I’m sure the fans of those teams are still raising their glasses high to their great winter meeting victories.


●Well, the Yimi Garcia era has ended as he has moved on the Marlins. I wish him well In Miami. Question is, who would you rather have, Blake Treinen or Yimi Garcia? There’s question marks attached to both, but, I would rather take my chance with Treinen.


●Is Anthony Rendon that much better than Justin Turner? In all likelihood, JT will not have the same success over the next 7 years as AR will. However, was last year a foreboding of things to come for JT, or merely an outlier due to injuries? I’m looking for a bounce back year from him next year.


●It’s said that Rendon wasn’t comfortable with the Hollywood lifestyle. Well good luck with the Real Housewives of Orange County lifestyle.


●Is there any chance remaining that the Dodgers can add a pitcher to the rotation? Of the free agents still on the market, who would you rather have wearing the Dodger Blue for the next 3 years? Ryu or Bumgarner? Why? If the goal is solely to win the WS, I would probably pick Bumgarner. Personally, I think he will be the better pitcher for the next 3 years. However, because I hate the Giants so much, the thought of him in a Dodger uniform conjures up memories of Juan Marichal being a Dodger and makes me want to puke. I could never stomach that thought.


●If a pitcher could be obtained by trade, who would you rather the Dodgers acquired, Matthew Boyd or Corey Kluber? Are there others, realistically available, who you would want?

●William posted yesterday: “I think that an ownership which is making more profits than any baseball franchise, except possibly for the Yankees, should be out there with them trying everything reasonable to put together the best team in baseball. The Dodgers do not do that, at least in my opinion.” If the Dodger front office does not care about winning, how do you explain the fact that the Dodgers have as many wins as they do over the Friedman era? Please understand, I do not intend this as a personal attack on William, as he appears to be a very intelligent poster. Moreover, I get his frustration.


●He also said: “You cannot consistently fail to land top free agents, or consistently pass on anyone at the trade deadline who is more than a three-month rental, and somehow expect to win titles, and then make excuses every time you fail. Well, you can, and they do.” Which player could the Dodgers have acquired by trade or signed as a free agent in the past 5 years that would have guaranteed that they would have won the World Series that year? Also, does the fact that the Dodgers have routinely acquired the best player or pitcher available at the trade deadline not account for anything? Does it matter that the players they acquire are only 3 month rentals, when the objective is to win the WS that year?


●If the Dodger front office does not care about winning the world series, how do you explain the fact that the Dodgers were one game away from winning it all in 2017? Or, that they were just 7-8 feet of a Will Smith drive to right center away from eliminating the eventual WS champs?


●If the Dodgers front office is cheap and won’t spend, how do you explain them signing Clayton Kershaw, Kenley Jansen and Justin Turner?


●When Kenley Jansen was the top reliever on the open market, were the Dodgers wrong for signing him? If so, why? Did you truly know that he would regress the way he has? If you did, what gave you that indication? Wouldn’t it have been ironic if Jansen had signed with the Nationals for the higher contract, as rumored, and he gave up a game winning home-run to Will Smith in the 9th inning of the 5th game this year.


●Were the Dodgers wrong for extending Clayton Kershaw’s contract when he opted out? The year before he became a free agent, I had floated the idea of trading him to Houston for Alex Bregman, Lance McCullers, Chris Devenski and Kyle Tucker. That was before Bregman became the player he is today. It was my thought that Kershaw could be replaced for a much less expensive pitcher and that Bregman could take JT’s place and the Dodgers wouldn’t have to resign him. I’m glad they resigned Kershaw, as I believe that there are certain players who need to have their careers begin and end with the same team. Kershaw is one of those players. He needs to go into the Hall of fame wearing a Dodger Blue cap.


●Is it required that the Dodgers sign every top free agent? Let’s assume, for example, that the Dodgers had signed Bryce Harper. How would that have changed the complexion of the rest of the team? Certainly they would not have signed AJ Pollack. Perhaps Belli would be the permanent 1 st baseman. Would he have had the same season playing 1st ? Maybe no MVP – what about Muncy? Would he have been the regular 2nd baseman. Would the team chemistry been the same?


●I wish just once that the recipients of the multi-year, mega million dollar contracts, would raise their voice for the plight of the minor league players and the abysmal salaries they get paid. I don’t think that’s ever going to happen though.


●Love him or hate him, Scott Boras had a very good week. I calculate that he made in the neighborhood of $35,000,000.00 to $55,000,000.00 in commissions last week. And, he isn’t finished yet. There’s a very good chance that Rendon and his family can now move into the same gated community in Orange County that Boras lives in.


●When looking at bad contracts, we typically look at those big contracts that didn’t work out so well. Josh Hamilton, Barry Zito, Barry Bonilla or Albert Pujols come to mind. The other day I read an argument that the worse contract in baseball belongs to Juan Soto. Think about it. Soto hit .283/.401/.548 with 32 doubles, 34 homers, 110 RBIs and 110 runs. He hit five postseason home runs, three of them in the World Series. He was one of the driving forces behind the Nationals winning their first-ever World Series, the first for D.C. in almost 100 years. He was paid $578,000 for his efforts. How much was he worth? Probably $30 million or more. Same could be said for Bellinger. Imagine if Stanton had the same year as Soto or Bellinger, no one would be whining that he was being overpaid. The baseball salary structure is flawed.


●I had a dental appointment on Friday, with a dentist in Menifee, California, the community where I work. I chose this dentist because of his name, Frank Pastore, as I remembered the MLB pitcher of the same name. I asked Dr. Pastore, if he gets asked about the name a lot because of the former MLB pitcher with the Reds, named Frank Pastore. Turns out that Dr. Pastore is his son. After finishing his baseball career(primarily due to injuries suffered after being hit by a line drive off the bat of Steve Sax), Frank Pastore, Sr., became a Christian and was the host of one of the most popular Christian radio programs on Glendale based KKLA. He died in November 2012, as a result of injuries suffered in a motorcycle/car accident. Ironically enough, on the day of his death, Frank Pastore had told his audience “Look, you guys know I ride a motorcycle, right?” “At any minute I could be spread all over the 210.” Three hours later a car struck him as he rode his motorcycle on the 210 between Glendale and his home in Upland. I have a bit of dental work to be done, so over the next several months, I will be asking him about the stories his father told him of his days with the Cincinnati Reds and the remnants of the “Big Red Machine.”


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  1. BumsrapDecember 15, 2019

    I predict:

    Lindor and Clevinger for:

    Seager, Downs, Urias or

    Muncy, Downs, Taylor, Urias.

    Betts for:

    Verdugo and Gonsolin or

    Verdugo and Maeda

  2. Joefrancis777December 15, 2019

    So this is not an exciting team technically we are worse than last year. So what do you think is the next move?? Ok we possibly get back Hin Jin but were still not better it’s the same team. Dont think the Lindor trade is gonna go down, so where we at chat????

  3. WilliamDecember 16, 2019

    We know that Friedman is intelligent, and has a good track record in some ways. But is it beginning to look as if there is no carefully planned out process here? Or is it just that we are constrained about going on the high end, except for rare exceptions, and then when we can’t do that, we sort of just look around for whatever is left, and make a virtue of necessity?

    None of us knows exactly what goes on in discussions among Walter, Kasten, Friedman , and Roberts. But not knowing does not mean that we must always give them the benefit of the doubt as to what they are doing. It seems that they are absolutely unwilling to make a major trade, break up some of the roster. Maybe they’ll still show that this is not so, but what big trades have you seen us make in the last three or four years? Mostly, we trade minor league contracts, or dump salary.

    So now we are going to go with a starting staff which will have only two returning starters from last year, and not because we have some shining new additions? We are going to rely on three starters who have started, what, twenty games among them in their MLB careers? The bullpen so far has one addition, a pitcher who was very good, until last year, when he was not good at all. No additions at the plate, and Verdugo’s health is a question mark.

    It’s still a few months until the start of the season, but does anyone sense that there is some kind of coherent plan? That we have carefully rated and evaluated the players available? How much of this is just about money; we don’t want to spend on long-term deals, we don’t want to trade cost-controlled players. I am sure that we’ll get somebody, but will it be somebody whom we will all be thrilled to add, who will be a clear upgrade to help us this season? Will we start the year with a solid bullpen and a #2 starter? Not the latter, there are none left. Other teams make moves; sometimes they may be wrong or foolish, sometimes good. We don’t make any of significance. Are we waiting to grab a top pitcher five years from now? Don’t hold your breath.

    I’ll tell you what could happen in a negative scenario. Urias is not that good, or various physical problems crop up. May shows flashes, but is inconsistent. Gonsolin maybe a bit more consistent, but his stuff is a question. Jansen has just lost his high-speed cutter, the rest of the bullpen is okay, but not at all great. Turner gets hurt again. Verdugo is slow to recover from the serious injury. Bellinger hits like he did during the second half of last year, .280 or so, with 35 HRs. No one in the starting lineup hits .300.

    Is this far too negative? Maybe, but it’s certainly within a reasonable range of possibilities. And if those young pitchers are not as good as the ownership and front office and fans desperately want them to be, then what? We do not really have much to trade, and there are no top free agent pitchers on the market next year. So we are stuck. You see, there is a way to imagine that the “Dodgers approach” will all pay off in the long run; and there is also a way to imagine that it will deflate of its own unwillingness to add top players from other teams, and we will be nothing much. The dramatic fixes seem beyond the interest or the willingness of our ownership and front office,so we are left to just keep hoping that our farm system is so good, that we can just win big with them. Interestingly, I know of no other larger market team in baseball which relies on just their farm system. Many of them go after free agents, and the infusion of talent allows them to trade other players.

    Look at our roster, and see how few players we have whom we both would be willing to trade, and who would be worth a high price on the trade market. Taylor, Pederson, Hernandez, Maeda, Pollock, Kelly, not worth much at all in trades. People write about whom we could trade, but really, except for our rookies, there is almost nothing. That is because we have not had infusions of talent via signing free agent stars. Most of our team is reclamation projects, under the radar players, and then a few young players whom we will not trade. The Dodgers way, trying to win titles without long-term contracts, or obtaining any top free agent, may actually have had its high point in 2017. I wouldn’t ordinarily bring up Tampa Bay, but Kasten did. How many titles did they win?

  4. Jorge ValenzuelaDecember 16, 2019

    There is no other top-level pitcher (Ryu is not), so I think that the only thing left to do is some trade for pitcher-batter combo.

    Kluber-Lindor is no longer possible, but there is still Price-Betts, Greinke-Correa , Happ-Andujar, those teams are looking to free up some money, so I think it would be very possible, right?

    We still need a good pitcher and a right handed batter

  5. norcaldodgerfanDecember 16, 2019

    I’m hoping AF has a blockbuster trade in the works, but to re-visit an “old and tired” discussion that some might find offensive but in addition to what William said (it appears as of the FO won’t trade cost-controlled players and it also appears we doesn’t to want to spend $$ on free agents. What is the plan?

    I would further offer the same caveat, that in addition to a confusing off season plan (at least so far) my confidence level in AF is seriously diminished when you look at the trade and FA track record and names like Latos, Jim Johnson, Kazmir, McCarthy, Anderson, Pollock and Kelly come to mind. Yes, there are some exceptions like Enrique Hernandez and CT3, but to this point many of the plaudits for AF’s work has been that he has been reticent to trade young talent. For that I give him an A grade, but in FA and big league roster trades I give him a solid C+.

  6. EricDecember 16, 2019

    I want 2 relievers:

    Will Harris and Tyler Clippard are free agents worth looking at.

    Ken Giles 1 year contract is worth trading for, although the trade market for pitchers has gotten more expensive. Should have got this done immediately.

    Dellin Betances, I really like his stats, but the Dodgers are already taking a chance on Treinen.

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