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Justin Turner: Another Human

Justin Turner is a Dodger-Legend to many, but to some he is a selfish, derelict murderer and baby-killer because after his positive COVID-19 test he was removed from the final game of the World Series in the seventh inning only to come back on the field with and without a mask during the Championship Celebration. First of all, what he did was wrong! Let s get that out of the way!

By Mark Timmons5 min readJump to 96 comments

Justin Turner is a Dodger-Legend to many, but to some he is a selfish, derelict murderer and baby-killer because after his positive COVID-19 test he was removed from the final game of the World Series in the seventh inning… only to come back on the field with and without a mask during the Championship Celebration.

First of all, what he did was wrong! Let’s get that out of the way! But, I am guessing he is not the first person to get “carried away at the moment.” Justin Turner… along with Clayton Kershaw, Kenley Jansen, and Pedro Baez are the only players who have appeared in every postseason series since 2014. After seven long years of frustration and then finally winning the elusive World Championship could cause a person to take leave of their senses to some degree.

Justin Turner was wrong! He should be punished. He should get a suspension next season for whatever number of games is deemed appropriate (5 to 10 games) for violating MLB’s edict not to go onto the field. The Dodgers should also get fined. They could have stopped it! I am sure Andrew Friedman will pay for it himself! It doesn’t make any difference whether the next test is negative or positive. Rob Manfred said that MLB is “investigating” this case. I will suggest there is nothing to investigate: He’s guilty. He’s human and he’s still the Heart and Soul of the 2020 Dodgers. Nobody can take that away.

He was wrong, but there are several mitigating facts that have to be considered:

  1. He was around his wife and teammates before and during the game, with and without a mask. The odds are, there was much more contact before and during the game than there was after the game.
  2. He was in the “bubble” and had been for a month with all of his teammates and their families. How was he exposed? I am sure contact tracing will reveal who spread it to him.
  3. While technically not an “outdoor” venue (transmission of the virus is greatly reduced in the great outdoors), the stadium may have been even better than the great outdoors, due to the flow of air through the HVAC system which continually moves the virus away from others. The level of infection is dramatically lower outdoors than indoors.

Still, he was wrong and he will pay a price. He is human and he screwed-up! Justin and Courtney will have to quarantine for two weeks and I suspect the entire team would have to as well. I think they should do that regardless. The fact of the matter is that 80% of people infected with COVID-19 have few or very light symptoms. Many have none. It depends upon the level (the sheer volume of the virus) that is inhaled. My wife and I both tested positive, but she had no symptoms while I ended up in the hospital. I understand the seriousness of it. The more COVID-19 Virus you inhale, the greater the chance of infection AND generally it is more severe with greater amounts of virus inhaled.

JT is human and he made a mistake. I am certain he will issue an apology, and at that moment, it is over for me. I would like to see JT come back and finish his career as a Dodger. He’s not a Hall-of-Famer, but to me, he is in the Dodger Hall of Fame. I love Justin Turner! Not everyone feels this way. One fan wrote this:

JT is getting everything he deserves and more. He tarnished his reputation with that selfish act and I lost tons of respect for him. I hope he retires.

There is an old saying “He that is without sin should cast the first stone.” In some countries, if you steal something, they cut your arm off. If you are gay they throw you off of a high building and of course, there is beheading. I guess anyone is free to think what they want. Bill Plunkett wrote this in the OCRegister:

Friedman defended Turner, saying he wore a mask and was “socially distancing” from teammates most of that time. But there are photos clearly showing Turner without a mask – including sitting on the pitcher’s mound next to the trophy flanked by Friedman and Dodgers manager Dave Roberts, both maskless.

“I think the people who were around him would be in the contact tracing web anyway – which is how close a lot of us have been around each other,” Friedman said Tuesday night. “The subsequent tests that we’re going to take are really important to figure out what we’re doing to do to make sure that any of us who are potentially positive do not spread it to other people.”

Turner posted on Twitter on Tuesday night that he is asymptomatic. But COVID-19 can spread from asymptomatic people. It is not clear how long an asymptomatic person can spread the virus.

“I think Justin wanted to come out and take a picture with the trophy and he did,” Friedman said.

“We did (follow protocol). When he came out of the game he went and was quarantined in a doctor’s office off to the side. … We’ve all been in a bubble and so I think the amount of contact and interaction between us that have been in that bubble is pretty high. So now it’s important to make sure that the people who are infected are subsequently quarantined. I think, by and large, it’s to make sure that we don’t spread it outside of this bubble because from a contact tracing standpoint we’re all kind of in that web.”

The fact of the matter is that the was more chance of exposure during the several hours of the game than for the few minutes after the game. Still, Justin Turner was wrong. Let’s get that apology and move on. There’s nothing to see here folks!

Here’s another look at this issue, which is very thought provoking.

Stephen A. Smith’s latest take:

Photo Credit: Eric Gay/Associated Press

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  1. Mark TimmonsOctober 30, 2020

    In a perfect world, Lindor would be my SS, but there is no way I would pay what the Indians would want for him. Maybe as a Free Agent in 2022, but I think I would still take Seager.

    When was the last time the team with the best Shortstop in baseball won the World Series?

    Baseball-Reference 162 Game Average for both players:

    Lindor: .285 BA/.346 OB%/.488 SLG/.833 OPS/OPS+ 117/40 DBL/3TPL/106 Runs/86 RBI

    Seager: .295 BA/.362 OB%/.500 SLG/.863 OPS/OPS+ 129/43 DBL/3 TPL.102 Runs/92 RBI

    Lindor is a better defender. Lindor steals 21 bases a year (which will decline) Seager steals 3.

    I am going to keep dancing with the guy who was the World Series MVP… even if he is not “THE BEST” SS in baseball!

  2. SoCalGrinchOctober 30, 2020

    Per Jon Heyman

    “Not one team claimed Brad Hand for $10M. He was a top 3 finalist for AL reliever of the year with a 0.77 WHIP. and 16 saves. Time to revise free agent contract projections downward! (Hand is now a free agent after Indians then declined the $10M option and paid $1M buyout.)“

  3. BearOctober 30, 2020

    Here is one for you that is closer to home. Who do they need to put on the roster and protect in the rule 5 draft? The Dodger site said deGeus, Carillo and Jackson are the most likely with Kendall, Kasowski, Reks, and Estevez on the bubble. I think they non tender Alexander, Floro might get an offer. None of them gets the QO.

  4. ArturoOctober 30, 2020

    Regarding the JT storyline… you always have to ask yourself a few things when any news reports come in.

    ~ What questions are being asked and just as important, what questions are Not being asked?

    ~ Who is leaking / feeding information to reporters and who benefits from this information being leaked?

    ~ Does it feel like one particular narrative is being pushed and framed in a certain way… while other narratives are being suppressed or hidden?

    ~ And if this is the case, then who benefits from that information being suppressed and framed in that particular way?

    ~ Who has the power and influence to push and frame certain narratives and storylines while suppressing other important information?

    ~ Are the reporters and news organizations that are reporting on this story hyper focusing on one particular storyline or are they being good, fair, and honest journalists by looking at all angles of the story and trying to get to the truth of the matter?

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    Rob Manfred and MLB knew that they screwed up badly and needed to use all their resources (newspapers, journalists, mlb network, etc) to take the focus off their incompetence and ineptitude and move that focus over to something / someone else. JT did make it a little easier on them by coming back onto the field… but the fact that this narrative was pushed so hard and so quickly on Tuesday night, without talking to everyone involved on the Dodgers (and everyone in their bubble) and not putting the spotlight or at least equal time to questioning MLB, Rob Manfred, and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Lab that was in charge of testing the players… really tells you everything you need to know.

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    The main headline on Tuesday night should have been, the Dodgers win the world series after a 32 year drought, Kershaw’s redemption, etc. The next biggest headline (if there were any journalistic principles left) would be to focus on the incompetence and malpractice of Rob Manfred and MLB for allowing two baseball teams to even start game 6 without the test results from the previous day!!! How is this not a bigger story!!??

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    How are we getting test results from MONDAY (A day off by the way) after Tuesday’s game starts??? How and why would a game as important as this be allowed to start without knowing these test results before the first pitch is thrown. And how can they magically rush the new results so quickly for Tuesday’s tests after finding a positive result from Monday’s batch. Wouldn’t you think the lab along with MLB would have / should have put a rush on getting Monday’s test results before game 6 started???

  5. CassidyOctober 30, 2020

    Do the Dodgers hope that Price opts out in 21? And sign a couple of high end relievers like Hand and a righty? I would think a lot of guys are going to sign 1 year deals in hopes that 22 will be better financially

  6. Mark TimmonsOctober 30, 2020

    I think the Dodgers will make a couple of moves by the weekend.

  7. CassidyOctober 30, 2020

    Bullpen Mark? I think a year of Hand for 10mil is a good deal. And let’s hope that Lux surprises us like Smith did this year. That would save a lot of capital for other areas. That’s been a key in the AF era. A lot of young talent balancing out the high end stars salaries

  8. BadgerOctober 31, 2020

    He ran out of gas? 50 some games, 200 or so plate appearances and he ran out of gas? That’s not a good sign.

    Lux did appear disengaged, that’s true. He might have had a lot on his mind. In a year like this one I’m willing to put it in the rear view and go forward.

    Everyone is going to want more money. That’s always going to be true. The market will level itself. One way or another, it always does.

  9. BearOctober 31, 2020

    Cubs cut the cord with Lester. But they are picking up Rizzo’s option. Red Sox are talking to Cora, so there could be a reunion there. Seems to me cheating, or at least condoning it is going to pay off for those two. Lot of new free agents as teams continue to clean house.

  10. BearOctober 31, 2020

    Per a report on Twitter……Trevor Bauer is supposed to have a zoom meeting with the Dodgers tomorrow,,,what ever the hell that is,

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