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Did Alex Cora make a mistake by staying with ERod in the 6th? As a Dodger fan, I say absolutely not. A 3 run jack by Puig put the Dodgers up 4-0. And the Dodgers have not lost with a 4 run lead all year long. 54-0. But what will Boston fans say? Well now they could care less because of the lack of a bullpen by the Dodgers. And

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Did Alex Cora make a mistake by staying with ERod in the 6th? As a Dodger fan, I say absolutely not. A 3 run jack by Puig put the Dodgers up 4-0. And the Dodgers have not lost with a 4 run lead all year long. 54-0. But what will Boston fans say? Well now they could care less because of the lack of a bullpen by the Dodgers. And the second guessers are going to be out in bunches on Doc’s use of the pen.

 

Okay, I’ll start. How do you take Rich Hill out while pitching a 1 hitter after striking out Eduardo Nunez in the 7th? Hill only had 91 pitches. He could have finished the 7th. After the game, Roberts said that Hill was tiring. What is he supposed to say? “I screwed up. I felt more comfortable with taking out a pitcher who was dominating the Red Sox for two pitchers who have not been able to get any Red Sox hitters out all series.” The genius of somebody was to replace Caleb Ferguson, arguably one of the best relievers the Dodgers had down the stretch, with Scott Alexander who is a walk machine. And what does he do when he comes in? 4 pitches for a 4-pitch walk, and then he’s gone.

 

In a replay of last year with the overuse of Brandon Morrow, for some brain dead reason, Doc brings in Ryan Madson who has allowed 5 inherited runners to score already in this WS. He inherited 2 more tonight, and now make that 7 inherited runners scoring in a WS for a new WS record. Mitch Moreland just unloaded on Madson to make it a one run game. But the fun is just beginning for the Red Sox.

 

Again, much like last year’s WS, Jansen cannot answer in the 8th. I do not know if I can be any more upset with what has happened. The pitch to Pearce was absolutely grooved. How does supposedly one of the best closers in the game (highest paid) groove two pitches in the WS in back to games to blow 2 saves? After doing the same last year. The pitch to Pearce could not have been any more of a hitter’s pitch. I am not sure how much more I can watch at this point. Just like last night, a great start by a Dodger starter is wasted. But unlike last night the bullpen was just a mess and the result was 9 unanswered runs before a 2 run HR by Kike’ in the 9th.

 

The Red Sox 9th proves what many of us had said at the trade deadline. GET SOME RELIABLE RELIEVERS. Floro was not the answer with allowing 1 run on 2 hits and a walk, leaving two inherited runners on for Alex Wood. Wood gets Benintendi to ground very softly to JT who could not get the speedy Benintendi out at 1st. It is not like Benintendi tattooed Wood, but unlike last night when Wood got more of a feel for the game as he continued to pitch and came through with a 6-4-3 DP, he was pulled after one batter in favor of Maeda who proceeded to give up a 3 run double to Steve Pearce. Maeda then intentionally walks JDM and allows the 9th run on a single by Bogaerts.

 

Six Dodger relievers, and each one of them gave up at least one run. But the big damage was done by Madson and Maeda who allowed 5 inherited runners to score.

 

Going back to the home half of the 8th, with the score tied at 4-4, Machado opens up and goes with the pitch, and lo and behold he gets a single into RF. He had not done that all series and with runners in scoring position. After Puig beat out a throw to 1st to negate a potential DP, CT3 singles into left and Puig continued to 3rd. But this year, that is where Dodger hitters stop hitting. With runners on 1st and 3rd and 2 out, Yasmani Grandal PH for Barnes and believe it or not, he struck out. Can you believe that???

 

The Dodgers are down 3 games to 1, and the chances for a WS victory seem to be fleeting. The Dodgers’ backs are against the wall, so hopefully they will fight through this, but something has to give. Either the hitters are going to have to get hits with runners in scoring position, and/or the relievers are going to have to shut down a Red Sox offense. If my math is right, the Dodgers are 4-18 wRISP in the series. The Dodgers have scored 9 runs in the last 27 innings. 2 came home on errors, and 7 came home on HRs. Tonight, the Red Sox go 5-7 wRISP, while LAD went 1-4, and that was Puig’s 3 run jack.

 

Clayton goes on Sunday in what some are already calling his final home start as a Dodger at Dodger Stadium. I still do not believe it. I also believe he is going to opt out because some organization is going to offer Kershaw more than $100MM. The question will be will the Dodgers be a participant in that starting pitcher auction.

 

My spirits are down, but I am not giving up. Let’s win Game 5 and go back to Boston and hope for the best.

 

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  1. DougUglyOctober 28, 2018

    I love the Dodgers, but I sincerely believe we are looking at Boston as the best team in baseball versus L.A. as the 4th best team, in MLB. I think it’s time to look forward to the offseason and possible improvements to the team.

    There’s no telling what the free agent results will be, but I would target Bryce Harper, D.J. LeMahieu and Patrick Corbin. With the Dodgers below the luxury tax threshold, they should go all in for these guys. Corbin is important because I think Kershaw exercises his option.

    The next thing I’d do is work out a trade with Miami for J.T. Realmuto and let Yasmani walk. I think a deal involving Puig, Will Smith and Dennis Santana may be enough to entice Jeter.

    The rest of the offseason would be spent building a bullpen from free agents, trades and spare parts. One of FAZ’s Muncy type finds would be great. Perhaps spending more to get one of the solid relievers on the market would also be worth it.

    The basic roster would then look something like this:

    1B – Muncy

    2B – LeMahieu

    SS – Seager

    3B – Turner

    C – Realmuto

    LF – Verdugo

    CF – Bellinger

    RF – Harper

    SP – Beuhler

    SP – Corbin

    SP – Ryu or Kershaw (If one of them doesn’t go anywhere)

    SP – Hill or Wood

    SP – Urias

  2. BobbyOctober 28, 2018

    On a different note, who’s ready for some sports in LA today? Your options?

    Kings at Staples Center at 12:30pm

    Rams at the Coleseum 1:15pm

    Galaxy at Stubhub Center 1:30pm

    Ducks at the Pond at 5pm

    Dodgers at Dodger Stadium 5pm

    Clippers at Staples Center 6:30pm

    Phil Collins at the Forum at 8pm (That is where I”ll be!)

  3. Val9000October 28, 2018

    From Houston Mitchell (LA Times) – Link to full article below

    It’s one thing if the Dodgers get beat because the other team outplays them. It’s an entirely different matter for the Dodgers to get beat because the manager and the front office can’t lift their heads out of their laptops long enough to pay attention to what is going on.

    I love analytics. They are extremely useful and I would rely on them heavily if I was running a team. But you have to wake up and pay attention. Madson himself said his pitches weren’t behaving like they should. The computer doesn’t know that. But a manager should. He should pay close attention to what the numbers tell him, but he should also pay some attention to what his own pitchers tell him.

    I don’t blame him for bringing Jansen in for the eighth. He’s your closer, and though he has been erratic, he is still a top closer. And even if Baez came into the game in the eighth, that just means Jansen probably gives up the homer in the ninth.

    This game, and yes, probably this series, was lost with the indefensible decision to remove Rich Hill. Just like Game 2 in last year’s World Series.

    But here’s the thing for everyone calling for Roberts to be fired immediately. Roberts gets a lot of his marching orders from the front office. A lot of “Here’s what should be done in this scenario, and in this scenario …” A new manager is not going to change things that much. So please direct some of your anger to Andrew Friedman and Farhan Zaidi.

    They can all share the blame for the Game 4 loss. Maybe their computers can tell them what percentage blame each person should receive.

    By the way, after the game even the Red Sox were saying how relieved they were that Hill was removed.

    Open on www.latimes.comhttp://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-dugout-world-series-20181028-story.html
  4. roger askewOctober 28, 2018

    While I totally disagree with Doc making the early move to get Hill, I didn’t realize that Baez and Urias were not available because of the night before. That really limits Roberts options in that situation. The no brainer would be Baez, but with that bullet burned the night before, you either have Floro or Madsen. Pick your poison. Let’s not forget, this is the same bullpen that went 8 scoreless innings the night before, and outpitched the Brewers. If any of those guys does his job last night, we are looking at a 2-2 series. Like I have posted before, and they have said time and time again, both J Hair and Nomah have stressed that there is no excuses in the World Series, you have to make that pitch and throw strikes right out of the gate when you are a reliever. We haven’t for some reason, in the keyest of situations, and it is killing us. Also, win or lose, FAZ aren’t arrogant or dumbasses, they tend to learn a little bit every year. I would bet my bottom dollar you will see more contact hitters in the line up next year along with some bona fide relievers. With that said, there is still a season to salvage. Let’s put our Dodger colors on and root for Kershaw to get it done tonight, one inning at time, one game at a time. We ain’t done yet.

  5. dodgerrickOctober 28, 2018

    They key line from what Mitchell wrote is essentially what I have posted:

    “But here’s the thing for everyone calling for Roberts to be fired immediately. Roberts gets a lot of his marching orders from the front office. A lot of “Here’s what should be done in this scenario, and in this scenario …” A new manager is not going to change things that much. So please direct some of your anger to Andrew Friedman and Farhan Zaidi.”

    Roberts does what the Braintrust wants him to, so why would they fire him?

  6. Rudy ByrdOctober 28, 2018

    I hope Mark Walter sees the light and makes the appropriate changes, what ever those may be.

  7. Tim RobinsonOctober 28, 2018

    I hope Mark Walter (perennial bridesmaid) is shown the door.

  8. Mark TimmonsOctober 28, 2018

    OK, a lot of what I read is total BS and opinion. But here is what we do know:

    1. Last night’s game was a must win game and the Dodgers were in a position to win.

    2. Rich Hill seldom pitches into the 7th inning.

    3. Rich Hill can lose it quickly! That’s a fact

    4. Rich Hill was tiring – he told Doc that. How long he could go was debatable, 6? 7? Maybe. Maybe not!

    5. I would have absolutely taken Hill out…. at the end of the 6th inning and brought in Clayton to pitch the 7th and 8th.

    6. Clayton was going to pitch today, so he could pitch two innings last night.

    7. We know that Kenley likes to give up a long ball or two, so save him for the 9th and the Dodgers win game 4 by a 4-1 or 4-2 margin.

    8. Worry about the game in front of you, which was last night. Then pitch Ryu tonight – he’s better in Dodger stadium anyway.

    9. Kershaw goes in game 6. That makes the most sense!

    That’s what should have happend. Alexander, Baez (not available), Madson, Wood, Maeda, Flora and all that – NO! They would have all been ready tonight in a tied series. The mistake was taking out Hill too late!

  9. Tim RobinsonOctober 28, 2018

    The peeps that are part of the Hedge Fund that own the team. It’s their frikin money and that is what runs this organization. Note I didn’t say team. $$$$ is what is running this organization.

  10. HawkeyedodgerOctober 28, 2018

    We can complain about FAZ, hitters approach these days, etc. but the fact of the matter is this-Dave Roberts lost that game tonight. Those who complain about his over managing have done it all year long. This isn’t a hindsight deal. Pulling Hill last year was debatable but if Kenley hits his target against Gonzalez it doesn’t matter. The Dodgers win the WS last year. There is really nothing to debate last night. He pulled a pitcher rolling and who is left-handed to bring in another lefty to pitch to a left-handed batter. It’s dumber than anything I’ve ever seen. If you felt Hill was tiring the you let him pitch to Holt then get him out. There is absolutely nothing defensible about what took place last night.

  11. campyOctober 28, 2018

    I didn’t get home from the game until early this morning and I just got home from church so this is the first opportunity that I have had to post some observation from the game.

    -Beautiful night, great crowd, lots of Boston fans, place was rocking, $60 to park, park is beautiful, good seats, Dodger dogs…. The game—No one around us could figure out Robert’s moves. Lots of complaining about the “stupid” things he did. Hill was going great and didn’t appear to want to be removed even tho he told Roberts to “watch me”. Why take out a left hander who had given up only one hit to bring in a (unreliable) left hander to face a left hander????

    On the radio show after the game that was the big question and Roberts didn’t answer it very well. Alexander did what he seems to have done often lately – 4 balls and none close. Then comes Madson who had said that he felt tired and his arm was worn out. He has pitched in almost all of our postseason games

    You should have seen Puig when the home run sailed over his head. You could tell he was mad by his posture and hands on hips. Then when the inning was over, he slowly walked to the dugout while everyone else ran off the field. He was, by far, the last to the dugout and didn’t look happy.

    Jansen was the only one warming up in the bullpen and when we saw that, and that it was only the 8th, we were really worried as was everyone around us.

    No one could understand why Baez and Uries were unavailable when they both threw fewer pitches on Friday that Jansen did. When Jansen came in we all said we were expecting bad things to happen. I can understand not wanting to pitch Uries, but holding Baez back in a must win game didn’t seem to make sense. Seems like it should have Baez in 8th and Jansen in 9th.

    As we were walking out of the stadium there was only one topic of conversation, Robert’s strange decisions. As Mark said, we also talked about every one of Robert’s decisions backfired, nothing went right and the difficult thing is that they were all questionable decisions anyway. On the post-game talk show all of the callers complained about the pitching changes. Roberts had weak explanations about what he did, and when they asked Hill about the decision he avoided answering the question.

    We came to the conclusion that if this were the first time that something like this happened, Roberts gets the benefit of the doubt, but this has happened over and over, last year too, and he needs to be held responsible.

  12. Watford DodgerOctober 28, 2018

    Still numb. Did I really witness that debacle last night.

    That will go down as one of the worst defeats of all time.

    Instead of looking forward to a massive game tonight, the whole thing has gone flat.

    MJ

    You have had this team and management nailed for a long time, like others on here, and I feel your pain.

    It makes it doubly hard because you havnt second guessed this.

  13. MJOctober 28, 2018

    Freeze

    Turner

    Kike

    Manny

    Muncy

    Puig

    Taylor

    Barnes

    Kershaw

  14. Val9000October 28, 2018

    In my opinion, the Dodgers are already the big winners this year even if they don’t win the world series… since they accomplished their main goal of staying under the Luxury Tax Threshold.

    I hope they have t-shirts printed up to acknowledge this fact so I can pick one up at my local Dick’s Sporting Goods.

  15. IdahoalOctober 28, 2018

    I do not think Doc will be fired either. The Dodgers only have one way to score. There should be many ways to score. Do not put all of your eggs in one basket. We do not run and hit, we do not steal any bases, we do not move runners over from second, we do not take what the other team will give us. It is a HR, walk or a SO.

    Doc loves some balllayers more than others. Doc loves Joc. He gave him three years to make it. Finally this year he has been pretty good. Still cannot hit left handlers, but he has never been given a chance. He likes Dozier and he should not even be on this team. Doc does not appreciate Freese, Hill, Verdugo or Toles.

    I absolutely hate his righty lefty line ups. Strictly metrics. Soc does not see what is in front of his eyes. In my opinion, Bellinger, Muncey and Puig shoul be in the line up every day

    I think FAZ has done a lot of good things. However, they certainly do not value a good bull pen. They certainly do not value good contact hitters. They certainly do not value small ball. It is sad, but if FAZ and Doc do not make changes in the way they do things, we will have the same problem next year.

  16. Mark TimmonsOctober 28, 2018

    Since August 1st, what Dodger has the highest batting average?

  17. TherealtenOctober 28, 2018

    I don’t agree Baez was unavailable. You pitch madden every game but Baez couldn’t pitch. Bull, you got Boston starters pitching or warming in every game. Urias wasn’t available which is why he shouldn’t have been on the roster. Where in the he.. was stripling? Was he hurt? I know he finished bad but he has relieved and could have pitched multiple innings. There must be some explanation why you leave Ferguson, stripling off the roster. I have a similar view as mark in one respect. I would have put Kershaw in to pitch to the lefty. Then, if he got him quickly start the 8th then bring Jansen in. Rodriguez was starting after pitching the night before. Kershaw may or may not have started today but ryu probably could have pitched 5 and the bullpen would have been rested. Whatever, questionable roster construction, Roberts his typical dumbs.. moves, and a gutless, weak bullpen. I am amazed at the concern over pitching daily in a 7 game series and 2 days off. You would think this is your chance of a lifetime so embrace it don’t run from it. I know they are not robots but when you see the desire and effort of a guy like evoldi the Dodgers just look like whimps whining about pitching 2 days in a row.

  18. Rudy ByrdOctober 28, 2018

    Hopefully Madson won’t be available tonight.

  19. Mark TimmonsOctober 28, 2018

    Do you know why Cora left Rodriguez in to pitch to Puig?

    He was following what sabermetrics told him: Puig can’t hit LH P!

  20. TherealtenOctober 28, 2018

    I think it was sabermetrics but it was more than that. I think Cora felt that Rodriguez should have been out of the inning until the bad throw by the catcher. However, the first baseman made a bad throw to the catcher and my experience is that when you make the first bad throw the second will follow. So, I think Cora was thinking the pitcher should have been out of it, Puig doesn’t hit lefties leave him in. My daughter and I were watching the game and when the count got 3-1 I said to her that if ever a guy should be sitting on a pitch this is the time. Euphoria until Roberts decided to get in the game.

  21. DanielOctober 28, 2018

    Watching the line up . I can say that kike is son of roberts definitely. Ok whatever…lets go Dodgers ..I can tired to baseball so far so a want more games

  22. Val9000October 29, 2018

    I’ll say it again… if we play the way we did in Game 5 of the NLCS, we give ourselves a great shot of winning the game.

    If our batters decide that they want to all be heroes and swing for the fences once again… it could be another long painful night.

  23. AdamOctober 29, 2018

    I have a ton of opinions, and likely a lot are interpreted as bull shit by orhers. So I will talk less going forward but one opinion I will not shut up about is that Robert’s/FO have completely mismanaged two consecutive World Series. They are the smartest guys in the room, and therefore don’t have to be contrite or transparent. They true don’t owe us average fans that. However they do need to win and when they fail to do so they derseeved to be criticized. When they make the same mistakes on the biggest stage two years in a row they need be held accountable. :).

    Go Blue, 2% miracle finish incoming starting tonight.

  24. Vegas DodgerOctober 29, 2018

    I have an idea: Once the game starts tie Roberts up and stuff him in a locker in the clubhouse and let Utley manage the team from the bench through Geren. I guarantee a win!

  25. Vegas DodgerOctober 29, 2018

    Maybe stuff Kershaw in the locker next door!

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