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A Little of Everything and not Much of Anything

While recently doing a bit of background checks on a couple of minor league players I started to think of some Dodger memories that I have and also an update on some current items. First, I don’t know if Gil Hodges should be in the HOF or not. I really liked Harold Baines but as a Dodger in my formative years I revered Hodges as I did so many

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While recently doing a bit of background checks on a couple of minor league players I started to think of some Dodger memories that I have and also an update on some current items.

 

First, I don’t know if Gil Hodges should be in the HOF or not. I really liked Harold Baines but as a Dodger in my formative years I revered Hodges as I did so many other Dodgers. That probably disqualifies me as an even slightly impartial observer.  One thing that makes it so difficult to make comparisons is the age in which they played. Gil was the best hitting first baseman during the decade of the fifties. He didn’t have modern day medicine, HGH and steroids, nor did he play in the era of expansion baseball. He has to be compared to his peers, in my opinion. My biggest beef is not that he didn’t make it into the HOF but that somehow the process got sidetracked and he didn’t get a fair hearing.

 

I tend to think that perhaps his stats were not HOF stats but may have been on the fringe and worthy of a process that wasn’t as flawed as it seems to be. The following article I came across questions the process, not just for Gil but perhaps for others.

 

https://www.cooperstownexpert.com/2016/07/gil-hodges-receives-bizarre-treatment-from-hof-veterans-committee/

 

Secondly, with the Winter Meetings now in full flight I thought about some trades. Not trades that might be made during the current session as I have no idea in the world what might take place. Probably something that most of us didn’t expect. The trades I am thinking of are not necessarily the best the Dodgers have ever made but all paid dividends. I am surely not thinking of the Paul Konerko, Pedro trades or Adrian Beltre walking as a free agent.

 

In picking some trades out of my memory bank there are five that pop up quickly and I am sure I am missing others. These are some of my favorites.

 

Claude Osteen (25) acquired from Washington for Frank Howard, Ken McMullen, Pete Rickert and Phil Ortega. On the surface it appears Washington did very well, which they did, but the Dodgers got what they needed.

 

Burt Hooten (25) acquired from the Cubs for Eddie Solomon and Greg Zahn.

 

Dusty Baker (27) traded to the Dodgers by Atlanta for Lee Lacey, Tom Paciorek, Jerry Royster and Jim Wynn. Again, it looked as if the Dodgers got snookered by them and got what they needed.

 

Reggie Smith (31) sent to the Dodgers by the Cardinals for Freddie Tisdale, Bob Betherage and Joe Ferguson.

 

Rick Monday (31) from the Cubs for Bill Buckner, Ivan De Jesus and Jeff Albert. I still remember that Monday home run against the Expos in 1981

 

Thirdly, just a glance at the Dodgers playing Winter League ball.

Ÿ    Matt Beaty .271/.385/.273

Ÿ    Gersel Pitre .278/.278/.333

Ÿ     Christian Santana .288/.329/.394

Ÿ     Joe Broussard ERA 7.27

Ÿ     Victor Gonzalez ERA 7.27

Ÿ     Michael Johnson ERA 0.00 over 3.2 IP

Ÿ     Adam McCreery ERA 3.38  WHIP 1.00

 

Fourth on my list is a reminiscence. Way back in 1957 I moved from Lunenburg, Nova Scotia with a population of less than 3,000 to the city of Edmonton in Alberta. My folks moved west for my Dad to take his doctorate on a fellowship from the University of Alberta. Needless to say I was devastated to move there at the end of June with the whole summer before me, no friends and no school to acquire friends for two months.  My Mom being so wise got me interested in attending the Edmonton Eskimo baseball games. The Eskimos played in the Western Canada Baseball League which was pretty good baseball.

 

I soon learned the names of the players and although I attended the games alone it was a life-saver. I read about the team, put pictures on my wall, came out of my shell and in September made wonderful friends at Strathcona Composite High School. Now that isn’t the story as there is another story behind this story. My favorite player, with whom I exchanged greeting on a number of occasions, was a 19-year-old outfielder who sometimes played first base. It was none other than Ron Fairly.

 

Edmonton is only one-time zone away from Los Angeles so I could listen to Dodger games which I did with regularity. It was beyond belief when I tuned into a Dodger game in September of 1958 and Ron Fairly was playing in the outfield for the Dodgers. He went hitless in his first game but in his second appearance against the Phillies he had three hits in four at bats. He finished the season with a .283 batting average in 15 games. Back home in Nova Scotia in 1962 I watched Fairly play a lot with the Expos starting in 1969.

 

Here is a picture of the Eskimos after their championship run in 1957.  Ron Fairly is not too difficult to pick out.

 

http://www.attheplate.com/wcbl/1957_1g.html

 

Fifth is something that might have been posted on LADT, but I missed it.  Well done OKC Dodgers.

 

Last Thursday it was announced by Baseball America that the Oklahoma City Dodgers were chosen the winner of this year’s Triple-A Bob Freitas Award, signifying it as the level’s model organization in 2018.

 

“The award is given to one organization at the Triple-A, Double-A, Single-A and Short Season/Rookie levels and recognizes off-field high achievement in community involvement, long-term business success and consistent operational excellence. It is named after Bob Freitas, the former president of the Rookie Northwest League.”

 

“Among the accomplishments for the OKC Dodger organization were the youth baseball initiative the OKC Dodgers Rookie League with Oklahoma City Parks and Recreation, numerous charitable efforts through the OKC Dodgers Baseball Foundation and the highest percentage increase in attendance from 2017 among all 16 Pacific Coast League teams.”

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  1. TYLERDURDEN31December 12, 2018

    My coworker is wearing a Cody Bellinger jersey today. I told him, “Thank you,” and that I didn’t do fantasy sports but if I did I would buy CB this season. He had the unbelievable rookie campaign in which he won ROY unanimously then nearly took home a ring as well. Last year he struggle all year but his defensive versatility and speed opened some eyes as to what kind of athlete he really is. Some say he is the fastest player on the team and I have seen a 65 slapped on his run tool. He could easily steal 30 bases if called upon.

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    This year he is likely to be the starting CF, as Muncy was our best hitter last year and seems only to be able to play 1B on a regular basis. Roberts just squashed the Muncy-to-2B chatter and my idea of putting him in LF doesn’t seem to have attracted any followers. It’s probably we will continue to see the late-game maneuvering of players so that CB ends up at 1B to end games while CT3 or Keekay patrol CF. That mitigates some disappointment over not seeing him in his natural habitat in the infield.

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    I’m as high on Bellinger as any hitter not named Turner next year. Seager I will give some time to ease back into the flow. If Bellinger truly is already working on his swing, we could see him at his best this year. He will still strike out, but maybe with some increased contact (especially with two strikes) he could utilize his speed better in order to maximize his offensive output.

  2. 2demeter2December 12, 2018

    My first Dodger disappointment came in 1961, when as a 10 year old I learned that Don Demeter was traded to the Phillies for the immortal Turk Farrell . Couldn’t understand why anyone would want to be rid of Don Demeter.

    Thanks for the journey down memory lane , DC! Nice diversion from wondering about who is going to be traded for whom. It’s a slow winter meeting, perhaps reflecting a new financial paradigm in MLB or perhaps indicating collusion.(Just kidding).

  3. Always CompeteDecember 12, 2018

    The Athletic has a great article on the Dodger Hitting Guru Triumvirate, Robert Van Scoyoc (RVS), Brant Brown, and Aaron Bates. I would agree with Mark that the hiring of RVS will either be a home run or a monumental strike out. I will give Friedman credit. He does see an area that is ripe for change, and he does not hesitate. He doesn’t just dip his toe into change, he goes all in. Some poignant excerpts:

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    He pointed to the industry-wide increase in strikeouts — some 35 percent since his first year on the job — as evidence that change is necessary.

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    “Let’s think about this differently,” he said. “Let’s ask different questions. Let’s be open-minded to ways we can possibly combat that. I think between those three guys, their perspectives, their experiences, their abilities to relate and connect to players, plus how their skill sets complement each other, I just think it has a chance to be a really dynamic hitting environment.”

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    The attempts to engender that environment are underway. While the Dodgers front office spends the week at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, Cody Bellinger will visit Dodger Stadium this week to meet with the club’s new hitting coaches. “He’s very hungry to continue to improve,” Friedman said. “He’s in a great frame of mind going into this offseason to make some adjustments here and there, just like all young players do — to keep the strengths that are in place and continue to build on some of the challenges.”

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    “We’re still scratching the surface of what we’re going to try to do and how we want to approach the hitting department next year,” Friedman said. “I think that will evolve more the rest of this month into January, and we’ll hopefully try to have more clarity of thought going into February. Exactly how we’re going to do it is just a vision on a whiteboard right now.”

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    As a Dodgers consultant in 2017, he (RVS) also worked extensively with infield prospect Gavin Lux.

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    I cannot be an advocate for change in the roster, if I cannot accept a change in the approach to hitting. I will remove all negative thoughts about a coach who reportedly hit a solid .100 as a HS Senior, but now is revered as a hitting guru by more than just JDM. If hitters like Gavin Lux and maybe Cody Bellinger are open to change, who am I to tell them who to see or more importantly, not to see. Go RVS…Go Blue!!

  4. RichieFDecember 12, 2018

    From Dodger News: Chase Utley will assume a front office position with the Dodgers. That’s the best news yet out of the winter meetings.

  5. BlutoDecember 12, 2018

    Realmuto’s situation from Heyman:

    Mets not going to trade Thor, may focus on the more defensive catcher.

    Dodgers in a stalemate because Marlins insist on Bellinger.

  6. Always CompeteDecember 12, 2018

    There were some interesting comments from Doc at his presser yesterday. He initially states that the Dodgers have four starters,; Kershaw, Buehler, Hill, and Ryu. Then when asked about the 5th he talks about Kenta, Stripling and Urias. Who he did not include (initially) was Wood. I think that just screams that Wood will absolutely be traded. He later discussed Wood’s mechanics and what changes he may or may not make. He really just said, whatever Alex wants to do is okay. In other words, ask his next manager.

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    He also said that Kenta is a starter. So he really has five starters and none are named Stripling or Urias. Doc reiterated what has been widely discussed that Urias will be on an innings limit. They do not know what that limit is right now. “We got to figure out how to go about ramping him up for the season but ultimately we see Julio as a major league starter.”

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    Roberts believes Stripling’s injury issues caught up with him late last year but he also said “he is going to get opportunities to build on the innings pitched.”

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    He also said that 2B will probably be filled internally. Kike’ was first mentioned, then CT3, and then Muncy. He did indicate that Muncy was going to get his ABs and some would be at 2nd. He “trusts” Muncy at 2B, but not full time. Let the platooning begin. For those looking for DJLM or Jed Lowrie, it does not look promising.

  7. Rudy ByrdDecember 12, 2018

    AC, if you are reading this…

    When your son was under contract with an MLB team, was he at the mercy of doing whatever was asked of him during the off-season, i.e., “We want you to be at the stadium on January 6th to take batting practice in front of our new coaching staff.” Also, would they have paid for his airfare from, say, LA to Boston and back?

  8. Always CompeteDecember 12, 2018

    Two trades that come to mind for me for two very different reasons occurred on the same day 5 years apart.

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    11-28-67 – One of my worst nightmares. Most who have read me know that I am a huge relief pitching fan, and Ron Perranoski was always near and dear to me. I was a junior in high school, and after another losing football season my year got worse when the Dodgers traded Perranoski, John Roseboro, and Bob Miller to the Twins for Mudcat Grant and Zoilo Versailles. Versailles went on to hit below the Mendoza Line even before good Mario made it famous. Grant was okay in relief, but Perranoski went on to have one good and two exceptional years with the Twins.

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    11-28-72 – The Dodgers acquired from Anaheim the only Angel that I liked, Andy Messersmith, with Ken McMullen for Frank Robinson, Bill Singer, Billy Grabarkewitz, Bobby Valentine, and Mike Strahler. Messersmith is more widely known as the father of free agency, even though Curt Flood was really the force behind the movement. I was such a fan of Andy Messersmith that I named my first son after him. Messersmith was dating a dear friend of ours and we met him for dinner at the Red Onion in Newport Beach. When I told him we named our son after him, he looks at me and says, “You do know my name is John Alexander?” I said of course, why do you think his middle name is John. That wasn’t the reason, but we all laughed anyway.

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    Those are two trades that I will remember forever, or until I don’t.

  9. TYLERDURDEN31December 12, 2018

    As a fan, some of my memorable (good or bad) trades have been the LoDuca deal (seen on the scroll on a communal TV at the Bissell House in Pasadena), the Tudor/Guerrero swap, goddamn Konerko for Shaw that Lasorda bungled ten ways as GM, the famous Alfredo Griffin World Series precursor, and Jim Thome WTF.

  10. TYLERDURDEN31December 12, 2018

    Trade trivia answer: Luke Raley & Devin Smeltzer.

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    What’s the question?

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